Warcry wrote:Primus has always been a planet though, hasn't he? I mean, when Unicron started to eat handfuls on the cityscape in the Marvel comics he was screaming in pain. Turning into a robot is taking it a step farther, sure, but it always made sense to me. Or at least, it made as much sense to me as Unicron having a robot mode did.
But that simply makes Primus and Unicron literally mirror images of each other, something that I seriously dislike in fiction. (Plus, the first time Primus transforms in the Cybertron series, he got owned by Starscream).
Personally I think Unicron works better as a threat if we treat him as a giant, hostile sentient planet first and foremost rather than as just another in a series of progressively bigger robots. Him having a robot mode that's small enough for the Transformers to fight has always seemed to me to...I dunno...understate how freaking huge and dangerous he was. He'd be less relatable if he never transformed, sure, but who says a god needs to be relatable?
Honestly neither Primus or Unicron ever really seemed all that godlike to me. In fiction they really only seem to be one notch up from the citybots in terms of size and power. If we're going to use them as characters at some point I'd love to find a way to get across the sheer vastness of their bodies
and minds. And I'd like them to be different from each other, too.
I would like the whole 'Hate Plague'-esque thing that Unicron can do be explored, more corrupting the innocent (say, with Dark Energon) as well as the whole Entropy thing that the Fallen spouts out about. Make him more a dark god trapped in a physical body instead of just another big Transformer like the original Movie treated him.
Primus, meanwhile, I'd stick with Marvel comics all the way. A bastard light god out of touch with the children he had created... instead of basically a gigantic version of a wise Autobot in the Cybertron cartoon.
What do you guys think? I'd like to hold them back and only use 'em alongside Unicron, personally.
I don't see myself playing as any of the three (maybe Galvatron because of his batshit insanity, but I don't think I'd be allowed another Decepticon WMD on my roster), so either way is fine by me.
I would really,
really appreciate if the trio were their own mechs instead of being reformatted Skywarps and Thundercrackers and Insecticons.
Do you suppose the Church of Primus would be hierarchical like the Catholic Church, with a robo-pope who's supposedly the infallible font of truth and justice? Would it be like Islam, with an official set of holy books but no single official interpretation of them and no authority figure who can 'speak' for the faith as a whole? Or would it be less-organized than that, with the Church only preaching the basic myths and otherwise encouraging their flock to find their own personal relationship with Primus, so that different characters can have wildly-different takes on the whole thing?
All of the above, ideally.
As in Earth we have Islam, Catholic and Christian (which stemmed from the same belief), so can the church of Primus have multiple different religions and organizations. It's just hard to maintain that much variety in the little time we'd see the temple, though, so if we have to pick one I like the less-organized thing that tells people to find their own journey.
Vector Prime as a pope would rock, though.
optimusskids wrote:I can see Unicron starting off as a Satan like figure that mechs don't really believe in that has faded into myths and legend and a lot of people getting a big shock if he turns up. Their would be a lot of converts in a very short period to Primus' religion if and when he turns up.
...But also many people that would turn to Unicron, right? Satanism and all that. Hey, it worked when Unicron converted the Fallen! Plus, when Unicron turns up I would see opportunistic people like Starscream going over to the chaos god's side.
one way of reconciling the Quintesson and Primus origin stories that just occured to me would be if Primus was the original control computer/ AI for the factory of Cybertron a bit like Asimov's Multivac which since the Quints disappeared has developed and evolved and has been come to be seen over time as a god by the creatures it has created.
Unicron could be a similar computer that has gone rogue either because of the influence of a breakaway group of Quints or because of a flaw in it's programming or even a computer run by a rival trading company which would explain it animosity and why it wants to destroy Primus commercial rivalry had warped in it's mine into religious zealotry and hatred.
That's basically Eugenesis!
I disliked the idea of Primus and Unicron being treated as computers instead of real gods, though. For all the power Primus and Unicron had, the Quintessons surely would be much more powerful? But Eugenesis was so well written that I can't help but loving it all the way.