How could Rise of the beast's affected the comics when they start?

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Could Hasbro want Beast wars in the comics?
Was that why the Kingdom Toy line had both Beast wars and G1 characters in it?
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They're more likely to want an additional title that specifically ties into the film, and it'll be subject to deals and approvals with the film companies.

BW, RiD and UT characters are commonly used to pad out casts in comics, which has been flogged if not to death then pretty hard by modern comics so far. It doesn't seem to happen particularly at Hasbro's behest, it's just that the extended original series cast -- even including Japanese characters, Micromasters, etc -- isn't into the tens of thousands that some authors want to portray, so mixing in some less usual names gives it a broader feel (at least until it's similarly overdone). It can be a way of getting some free narrative shorthand -- the MMs are alienated, Velocitron characters come with the particularly stupid speed=rulership concept, etc. And it's cheap because you can include pretty much anything that can be drawn, and the TF licence is treated as all-in-one, although there might be some Hasbro preference for using existing trademarked characters rather than having a significant proportion of a cast be created for a title.

Hasbro are simpler; they recognise by now that whilst later lines don't have the staying power or recognition of redoing original era ones, it makes good business sense to keep throwing in a percentage and trying to dredge up as much wider interest as possible. It's doubtful that'll ever not be the case at this point whilst action figures are still a thing and costs continue to increase.
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Denyer wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:58 pm They're more likely to want an additional title that specifically ties into the film, and it'll be subject to deals and approvals with the film companies.

BW, RiD and UT characters are commonly used to pad out casts in comics, which has been flogged if not to death then pretty hard by modern comics so far. It doesn't seem to happen particularly at Hasbro's behest, it's just that the extended original series cast -- even including Japanese characters, Micromasters, etc -- isn't into the tens of thousands that some authors want to portray, so mixing in some less usual names gives it a broader feel (at least until it's similarly overdone). It can be a way of getting some free narrative shorthand -- the MMs are alienated, Velocitron characters come with the particularly stupid speed=rulership concept, etc. And it's cheap because you can include pretty much anything that can be drawn, and the TF licence is treated as all-in-one, although there might be some Hasbro preference for using existing trademarked characters rather than having a significant proportion of a cast be created for a title.

Hasbro are simpler; they recognise by now that whilst later lines don't have the staying power or recognition of redoing original era ones, it makes good business sense to keep throwing in a percentage and trying to dredge up as much wider interest as possible. It's doubtful that'll ever not be the case at this point whilst action figures are still a thing and costs continue to increase.
Could they do Beast Wars series be it counting the IDW story or rebooting it?
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Starsaberdub wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:21 pm
Denyer wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:58 pm They're more likely to want an additional title that specifically ties into the film, and it'll be subject to deals and approvals with the film companies.

BW, RiD and UT characters are commonly used to pad out casts in comics, which has been flogged if not to death then pretty hard by modern comics so far. It doesn't seem to happen particularly at Hasbro's behest, it's just that the extended original series cast -- even including Japanese characters, Micromasters, etc -- isn't into the tens of thousands that some authors want to portray, so mixing in some less usual names gives it a broader feel (at least until it's similarly overdone). It can be a way of getting some free narrative shorthand -- the MMs are alienated, Velocitron characters come with the particularly stupid speed=rulership concept, etc. And it's cheap because you can include pretty much anything that can be drawn, and the TF licence is treated as all-in-one, although there might be some Hasbro preference for using existing trademarked characters rather than having a significant proportion of a cast be created for a title.

Hasbro are simpler; they recognise by now that whilst later lines don't have the staying power or recognition of redoing original era ones, it makes good business sense to keep throwing in a percentage and trying to dredge up as much wider interest as possible. It's doubtful that'll ever not be the case at this point whilst action figures are still a thing and costs continue to increase.
Could they do Beast Wars series be it counting the IDW story or rebooting it?
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Assuming the IDW contract is basically the same as the DW contract, they'd have the option to. It seems to be standard operating practice for the new comics publisher to have reprint/reuse rights to previous TF comics.
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Denyer wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:01 pm Assuming the IDW contract is basically the same as the DW contract, they'd have the option to. It seems to be standard operating practice for the new comics publisher to have reprint/reuse rights to previous TF comics.

Could Hasbro be made to want to continue the IDW Beast wars story/reboot with the new publisher which did not get to go on that long with IDW?
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Hasbro isn't a monolithic organisation (as amply demonstrated with the D&D OGL fiasco).

A new publisher is likely to have their own ideas and intended direction. If anything, IDW having the licence for seventeen years or so gives another publisher the opportunity to look back over a large body of work and see what did/didn't get well-received.
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Denyer wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:35 pm Hasbro isn't a monolithic organisation (as amply demonstrated with the D&D OGL fiasco).

A new publisher is likely to have their own ideas and intended direction. If anything, IDW having the licence for seventeen years or so gives another publisher the opportunity to look back over a large body of work and see what did/didn't get well-received.
What was well received?
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Infiltration (but following that there was a bleed-out of readers frustrated with the slow pace of Escalation), Stormbringer, the initial BW: The Gathering mini.

All Hail Megatron failed to halt falling sales. MTMTE was critically quite acclaimed but by most accounts did better as trades and digitally than print singles.
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Denyer wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:09 pm Infiltration (but following that there was a bleed-out of readers frustrated with the slow pace of Escalation), Stormbringer, the initial BW: The Gathering mini.

All Hail Megatron failed to halt falling sales. MTMTE was critically quite acclaimed but by most accounts did better as trades and digitally than print singles.
What if someone pitch the Beast wars IDW series to the publisher, be it Hasbro or the writer?
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Denyer wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:35 pm Hasbro isn't a monolithic organisation (as amply demonstrated with the D&D OGL fiasco).

A new publisher is likely to have their own ideas and intended direction. If anything, IDW having the licence for seventeen years or so gives another publisher the opportunity to look back over a large body of work and see what did/didn't get well-received.
Could Hasbro want a Beast wars comic to prompted Beast Wars with the Toys and movie and ask for one ?
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If the movie does very, very well rather than being yet another placeholder instalment to keep the Transformers brand on-screen.

Fundamentally BW doesn't really have the same wide appeal as other parts of the franchise, which is why it's a BW+G1 inspired thing rather than just BW.
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Denyer wrote: Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:40 pm If the movie does very, very well rather than being yet another placeholder instalment to keep the Transformers brand on-screen.

Fundamentally BW doesn't really have the same wide appeal as other parts of the franchise, which is why it's a BW+G1 inspired thing rather than just BW.
Is not Beast Wars popular?
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It sold well for a few years in the mid to late 90s, and since then "beasts only" hasn't carried the main Transformers line for over twenty years despite a few more skewed lines such as Beast Hunters. Having some beast characters in most lines has been Hasbro's preferred option, not entirely dissimilarly to having a subset of female coded characters in lines that are primarily male coded.

There's possibly a broader observation in that comparison -- girls are more inclined to accept fiction with male protagonists than boys are to accept fiction with female protagonists, and there's probably a certain amount of overlap with TRUKK NOT MUNKY hardliners.
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