War, huh?

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What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing
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War, huh?

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VOTE!
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...say it again
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Anybody see that one Seinfeld episode?
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Anybody see that one Seinfeld episode?
There was more than one episode of Seinfeld.

But no.
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Anyone see Rush Hour?

Ahem.
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Post by inflatable dalek »

Anyone seen that episode of Deep Space 9?

And before the joke gets completely run into the ground, the one thing war is probably good for (apart from things like WWII where there actually was a genuinely evil side) is that the need to beat the enemy often results in great technological spurts that can later be used for less blood thirsty purposes. Such as the American space program owing so much to the Blitz.
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inflatable dalek wrote:Anyone seen that episode of Deep Space 9?

And before the joke gets completely run into the ground, the one thing war is probably good for (apart from things like WWII where there actually was a genuinely evil side) is that the need to beat the enemy often results in great technological spurts that can later be used for less blood thirsty purposes. Such as the American space program owing so much to the Blitz.
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It's an enemy to all mankind.
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Good God, y'all!
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Which war is being referred to? Or is this some statement of intent to start a war?

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War, war, war, war
I want to declare a war
My fist breaks your porcelain nose
There are other things that hands can do
To create or to destroy
Mini gods and goddesses
First person singular
Set it, set it, set it off

War, war, war, war
Keep the past the future is ours
Man made natural disaster
Blocking out all of the sun
Supermen and mitsi turbo
Speed, agility, super strength
Wipe the blood off those knuckles
Spark it give me twos on that

War, war, war, war
I want to declare a war
True say blud that when we ride
We don’t stop for nobody
The Africans and the Bengalis
He knows all the rude boys
Reebok, Nike, Adidas, Puma
Rer rer rer, this shit is long

It’s all getting (it's all getting)
Quite highly charged (quite highly charged)
Get out the way (get out the way)
Or get ****ed up

We dance to the sound of sirens
We dance to the sound

And to think
That these hands
Could work wonders
With their touch
Listening
To dead singers
In your room
In '98

We dance to the sound of sirens
We dance to the sound
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Ackula wrote::up:
A winner has never been more clear!
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What is it good for? Technology, movies and games.
Even though wars are huge tragedies when they do happen.
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Post by Rurudyne »

Wars, while generally good for nothing, can still be legal though.

(predelete rant about the war powers act as it would be long, dry and likely ignored)
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Post by Jetfire »

inflatable dalek wrote:Anyone seen that episode of Deep Space 9?

And before the joke gets completely run into the ground, the one thing war is probably good for (apart from things like WWII where there actually was a genuinely evil side) is that the need to beat the enemy often results in great technological spurts that can later be used for less blood thirsty purposes. Such as the American space program owing so much to the Blitz.
The Iraqi war had a geuinely evil side. In fact it had 2. It's just the good people in the middle (and some good soliders) who got it bad. Oh and Sadam at some point.
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Jetfire wrote:The Iraqi war had a geuinely evil side. In fact it had 2. It's just the good people in the middle (and some good soliders) who got it bad. Oh and Sadam at some point.
Iraq is an interesting study when considering two of the classic stances of "diplomacy" which I call "Anyone but You" and "Let's You and Him Fight".

Essentially, "Anyone but You" is a very, very stupid basis for foreign policy where some nation so pisses off (at least) the leadership of another that they will frame their whole foreign policy with respect to their enemy out of sheer spite. The rise of Saddam and American involvement with his regime essentially was derived on this basis because after the Hostage Crisis we Americans had an "Anyone but You" attitude towards the Iranians — and Saddam was an enemy of Iran.

Note: if you examine the history of the modern state of Iran through the 20th century you will find that their destiny has been inescapably shaped by the above sort of stupidity through events ranging from relations with the infant Soviet Union (if you could call them "relations"), Germany and Great Britian respectively through two World Wars ... all of which fostered the conflict that eventually spilt over to affect the United States' and Iran's relations when the latter fell to nutters in '70s.

Which brings up the next great diplomatic tradition: "Let's You and Him Fight".

When one nation opposes another but lacks either the political will or the means to engage their enemy directly they will often try to act through an intermediary who shares a common foe. One could even look at the whole of the Cold War as an expression of this principal where the aggressive Soviet State was intent on expanding its hegemony through the actions of intermediaries and useful idiots alike (hint: people who scream about others having a hegemony the loudest are usually those who want one of their own the most). This was the basis for the nature of US relations with Iraq in the 1980s and why Americans in general turned a blind eye to the kind of despot that Saddam was (it was only later, when he'd earned his own "Anyone but You" status that most were willing to see).

For "Let's You and Him Fight" to really work the people on the receiving end should be as in the dark about the source of their woes as possible.

Why? Well, the problem with "Let's You and Him Fight" is normally that it only delays the eventual conflict and actually works to further embitter people on the receiving end BECAUSE most people eventually figure out who is backing whom. This not only makes a larger conflict more likely but is also likely to make it worse as far as such conflicts go.
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Die With Your Boots On

[Smith / Dickinson / Harris]

Another Prophet of Disaster
Who says the ship is lost,
Another Prophet of Disaster
Leaving you to count the cost.
Taunting us with Visions,
Afflicting us with fear,
Predicting War for millions,
In the hope that one appears.

No point asking when it is,
No point asking who's to go,
No point asking what's the game,
No point asking who's to blame,
'Cos if you're gonna die, if you're gonna die,
'Cos if you're gonna die, if you're gonna die,
If you're gonna die, if you're gonna die,
If you're gonna die, if you're gonna die,

If you're gonna die, die with your boots on,
If you're gonna try, well stick around,
Gonna cry, just move along,
If you're gonna die, you're gonna die.

13 the Beast is Rising,
The Frenchman did surmise,
Through earthquakes and starvation,
The Warlord will arise,
Terror, Death, Destruction,
Pour from the Eastern sands,
But the truth of all predictions,
Is always in your hands.

You're gonna die, die with your boots on,
If you're gonna try, well stick around,
Gonna cry, just move along,
If you're gonna die, you're gonna die.

They die with their boots on,
Yes they die.

The day, they die with their boots on
The day we die, we die, we die, we die, we die

No point asking when it is,
No point asking who's to go,
No point asking what's the game,
No point asking who's to blame,
'Cos if you're gonna die, if you're gonna die,
'Cos if you're gonna die, if you're gonna die,
If you're gonna die, if you're gonna die,
If you're gonna die, if you're gonna die,


If you're gonna die, die with your boots on,
If you're gonna try, well stick around,
Gonna cry, just move along,
If you're gonna die, you're gonna die.

Die!
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Rurudyne wrote:long, dry and likely ignored
That should be, like, your custom rank.

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