Donald Glut hates the Michael Bay movie; also admits hating the old cartoon, despite having written for it

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Angelic Knight wrote:Was just giving my off-the-cuff first impression on the matter
And in my opinion people should be allowed to do so without receiving heavy backlash... I suppose it does depend on situation however. Calling someone a twat off the cuff for their opinions, for instance, would probably not be a decent road to go down.

As for the news- not surprised. I assumed a long time ago that most if not all of the writers for it were only in it for the money. :o
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Plain and simple, we were cranking out half-hour commercials to please the toy company, which always stressed to us to "push product." In fact, the toy company actually told us which characters to push in the particular episodes that we were writing -- sometimes characters that were totally inappropriate for the plot of locale (e.g., I was told to emphasize a snow-based character in a desert-based G.I. JOE script!) to squeeze in as many characters per episode as possible.
I'm pretty certain I made a point about exactly this being a reason for certain cartoon particularities to someone somewhat recently, hmm...
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EDIT: Should be ahead of Sadie's post, I got distracted by bright colours...

That's pretty much it... and Glut was probably pretty chewed out by the time he got to Transformers... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0323304/ shows a career of working for bill-paying jobs (and some people do write entirely for the money, often through having an aptitude for less idealistic things such as deadlines or being easy to work with that are less romantic, but more useful to TV shows especially). As I've said, I do think Glut's a bit of a dick, largely because nothing I've seen or read of his has been particularly impressive (he spent what seems like a fair chunk of the seventies as an emergency fill-in writer for Marvel), and it is a little daft for him to slander it when he currently has a career scripting schlock porn... But then, while you can be angry at his lack of effort (which did lumber us, most notably, with the idiotic Dinobots), it is hard to fault his honesty. Most, if not all, of the TF writers on the show held the same attitudes, but they're either shutting up about it (which might be the more sensible option) or pretending they do to get a foot in at Botcon.

Only Simon Furman seems to have held Transformers in much esteem of all those who've written for it... Of course, Bob Budiansky hardly loved it, but did a professional job - this, to me, is what you can fault Glut on, rather than his feelings two decades after the event... Ignoring character notes is taking things a bit far as hackery goes.

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Sades wrote:As for the news- not surprised. I assumed a long time ago that most if not all of the writers for it were only in it for the money. :o
It's not exactly news... Glut gave an interview to Zobovor a few years ago that seriously gave the impression he neither cared for the series or remembered that much... some of the more choice quotes were "Two-parters are nice because 1. you get paid for two complete shows while only having to come up with one plot..." and "I didn’t even remember writing this episode or the title until this interview. But hey, the whole idea of robots transforming into cars is impossible, anyway!"... Bles Zob, he tries so hard to be enthusiastic, despite Don's ardent insistence at turning the conversation towards real dinosaurs any chance he gets (a bit like when you try and talk to Dalek and he's shoe-horning in Who references :p)... This one's just great because he's not especially trying to be polite and/or isn't edited... Hence "If the episodes did come out with a semblance of quality, it was mostly by accident."

Mind, most fans have either a) ignored the original interview for years or b) tried to paint him as the black sheep of the writing team , with the rest of them surely not as bad... Sadly for toon fans, more of them have crept out of the woodwork for conventions or DVd interviews, and proved equally give-a-toss...
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Cliffjumper wrote: or pretending they do to get a foot in at Botcon.

Only Simon Furman seems to have held Transformers in much esteem of all those who've written for it...
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Bwahaha.
it is a little daft for him to slander it when he currently has a career scripting schlock porn
Maybe he thinks he's moved on to bigger and better things.
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Sades wrote:Maybe he thinks he's moved on to bigger and better things.
It's not hard...

To be fair, Ver Furm probably loves TFs just because it must have become clear to him he literally can't do anything else. If he got given the role of Batman writer, Batman would be cancelled after 12 issues. I mean, he managed to get a Marvel mutant title cancelled in 1995. That's impressive ineptitude.
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And in my opinion people should be allowed to do so without receiving heavy backlash... I suppose it does depend on situation however.
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Back on topic..

It's unfortunate that such lack of care is prevalent, but it serves as its own commentary on American animation, sadly.

However, that said, the impressive thing is that Transformers grew into a legendary mythos despite these seemingly fatal shortcomings. It goes to prove that the sum is indeed greater than the parts. No matter how many careless writers potentially derailed the series, it kept going strong, and a couple of decades later it's as strong as ever.

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I dunno... while obviously the cartoon played a part, and is undeniably well-remembered by those of a certain age (rightly or wrongly), the toys are a big, big reason the thing was a success (and continues to be one). Not just from the angle that "Obviously Hasbro use it to sell toys", but because they were well-liked by a lot of people - it's probably fair to say more people owned a figure or two than ever saw the show.

The cartoon itself is fondly remembered by those who haven't seen more than a few minutes of it since about 1985, TBH.
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Angelic Knight wrote:the mods stances are law
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It's worth remembering a few things about TV production, the first and most important of which is that there's no job security. You sell a script and if your lucky you might get paid well for the hours you put in, but if you don't sell another for six months that's not going to spread very far. Even people on staff have no guarantee their show won't get cancelled or they won't get sacked. So anyone in the industry who isn't a big name guaranteed to be in work all the time will take as much work as they can manage so they can still pay them bills.

Why even the great Robert Holmes only wrote the Doctor Who story The Sunmakers to pay an unexpected tax bill.

Hasn't Furman been fairly honest that he only put effort into the UK TF comic because he wanted to use it as a spring board to writing real comics?
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Cliffjumper wrote:I dunno... while obviously the cartoon played a part, and is undeniably well-remembered by those of a certain age (rightly or wrongly), the toys are a big, big reason the thing was a success (and continues to be one). Not just from the angle that "Obviously Hasbro use it to sell toys", but because they were well-liked by a lot of people - it's probably fair to say more people owned a figure or two than ever saw the show.
I don't know about that. The show was huge back in the day. And, though it may be easy to overly-critique it now, you got to keep in mind that before the 'Sunbow' toons, the high-point of quality kids' animation was Superfriends and Hanna Barbera.

But you're going to see hack writing all over. I mean, for all of its faults, if you put G1 on television for the first time today, alongside most of Cartoon Network's lineup, it would still stand out as an 'amazing' piece of work, comparitively. ...

... which is more of sad statement on most things passing for 'cartoons' now rather than G1's unique greatness.
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inflatable dalek wrote:Hasn't Furman been fairly honest that he only put effort into the UK TF comic because he wanted to use it as a spring board to writing real comics?
From when I was drinking with him back in .. gods.. 97... ? Furman really enjoyed working on Transformers, but was often frustrated by the in-house politicals of Marvel/Marvel UK, as well as the demands that Hasbro would occaisionally lay on. The 'Death's Head' universe was made largely as a response to both - something Furman could branch out with and not have to worry about the two big issues he felt were stifling him.
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Cliffjumper wrote:It's not hard...

To be fair, Ver Furm probably loves TFs just because it must have become clear to him he literally can't do anything else. If he got given the role of Batman writer, Batman would be cancelled after 12 issues. I mean, he managed to get a Marvel mutant title cancelled in 1995. That's impressive ineptitude.
Alpha Flight had been heading towardsw cancellation for a while before Furman took over.
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Yes, why not take everything entirely at face value...
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If anyone is surprised at Don Glut's candid writings, they never watched G1. The show is one of my all time favorite nostalgic trips and I remember it fondly, but as I watch it in comparison to Animated the rush job of G1 shines through.

I love G1, very much, and watch it all the time, but I know what it is (A long toy ad) and never try to rationalize it as great drama or insightful.
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another tf fan wrote:If anyone is surprised at Don Glut's candid writings, they never watched G1. The show is one of my all time favorite nostalgic trips and I remember it fondly, but as I watch it in comparison to Animated the rush job of G1 shines through.

I love G1, very much, and watch it all the time, but I know what it is (A long toy ad) and never try to rationalize it as great drama or insightful.
Thats about it isn't it? Not really anything else for me to add to this rather long discussion, but I feel more or less the same as another tf fan, it is what it is.
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why do people write for things they hate?
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starlord wrote:why do people write for things they hate?
To pay the bills. We covered this. Keep up at the back!
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starlord wrote:why do people write for things they hate?

It pays the bills. A lot of people work jobs they hate. I loathe my job, but I've stuck around for nearly 4 years now.
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Read all of the thread, I was gonna say something, but its all said, so will save my breath, altho...

I think the point of it was Glut had no interest in the product or the movie, fine I can deal with that. He had no other reason to accept the job other than a paycheque, no problem with this either. He was being honest, I struggle to see why he would suffer or anyone would dislike him for it.

He has moved on with his work (to porn now? if I read right then hah!). I see no point in ever repeating his name. If an individual enjoyed the cartoon, I pray they don't find this topic and go on doing so, as his input was next to nil, his name should be also. In my finite opinion he is not worth a lenghty response, I even think I've gone on too long here.
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der2 wrote:his input was next to nil
Over 12% of the original show...

* Divide and Conquer
* S.O.S. Dinobots
* War of the Dinobots
* Heavy Metal War
* Autobot Spike
* Dinobot Island, Part 1
* Dinobot Island, Part 2
* Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1
* Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2
* The Autobot Run
* Masquerade
* Call of the Primitives
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