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I really wouldn't mind buying a copy of the ultimate Guide just to have a good look through. I mean, I've read a bit of it while I was at Armageddon last year in Wellington, and it looked enjoyable, but from what I read, I just thought "Man, anyone who treats this as gospel is a mook!"

I just HAVE to go with Carnivac. For some reason, I'm not a big Dinobot fan, but Carnivac was cool, probably because unlike Dinobot, he helped the Wreckers. And the Wreckers ruled, so therefore, Carnivac ruled hardest by association, plus adding in the Dinobot similarities.

Yeah, what gets me is that I'm sure I heard somewhere that the Survivors is made up of "Surviving Wreckers and Mayhems from the Time Wars", which indicates that Inferno and Skids count as Wreckers somehow. I could be imaging things, though, which I have ben known to do before.

I think he might've been- I tried to check pages 4 and 5, and they just lead me back to page 3.

OK, I'm confused as to whether Inferno and Skids count as "Official" Wreckers or not in the UK comics. I mean, after all, Inferno only starts hanging out with Broadside and Sandstorm around Firebug, and then he's a member of the Survivors, despite being absent from Time Wars. Ditto With Sk...

See? Told ya he'd deliberately misuse the term retcon. And in response to your reply to my statement about Prime, Tramp, I MEANT the Marvel G1 comics, but clearly, you need help figuring that out. Prime in the US comics had been the leader of the Autobots for a while, and was still exhibiting self-d...

Heh, that's some interesting info there.

Who else wants to bet the word "Retcon" will be incorrectly used in response to the orion Pax point?

Once again: Don't bloody bold at me, slappy. Secondly, yes, lies. Optimuses (Optimii?) are very diverse. Did the Cartoon Prime ever exhibit Leadership issues? Hell no. He did in the comics. Every Prime shares the same general fundimentals, but they are very, very different if you pay attention.

Yeah, like how Primes universes over seem to have the same values in every different continuity. They're all valuers of freedom, justice, etc, value life wherever they may find it, but have different characteristics, like how Budiansky's Prime is a strong leader, Furman's Prime is doubtful (In the U...

Um, hi, yeah, um, I'm not thick. You've been told not to bold, so knock it off. Apparently, however, you don't get the point in what the UnUltimate was meant to be: It was supposed to be a chronicle of facts from every series, etc. It was not. A majority of the material was written FOR the book spec...

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Yeah, but I'm just pointing out that that went over about as well as a lead balloon, didn't it? The whole "Carnivac's bio describes him as what he isn't." from MTMTE. A lot of people on Seibertron weren't amused. My point is: It's stupid to change things when change is unnecessary. That's ...

Don't know how relevant it is to anything, but what annoyed me is how Carnivac is protrayed in Dreamwave's MTMTE bios, when you consider his original self in the Marvel UK comics was all about honor and respect, etc, whereas in the MTMTE profiles, he was described as a snarling lunatic.

Eh, I guess you're right. And especially about the behaviour, etc. I mean, After being told you're wrong on 4 different sites about the robosex thing, you think he'd pull his [removed] in WTF? I can't say "head" now? So I have to say "My favourite Monkees movie is [removed]" or ...

Hmmm, I thought this confused weirdo was the same person as Babylon Queen on Seibertron and Direrose on TFans, and this topic is proof- it's the same stupid topc they made on Tfans.

*Raises hand* I just wanna see Transformers with no "Dark overlord" or "Holy father" BS.

Yeah, Unicron is getting to be one REALLY tired plot device.

Eh, I guess you're right. And especially about the behaviour, etc. I mean, After being told you're wrong on 4 different sites about the robosex thing, you think he'd pull his [removed] in and realise that obvious that he thought wrong, same as the Unicron and Primus thing, etc. And you're right most...