So you're assuming that everyone here has seen it? My head hurts.Scotimus Prime wrote:I can't believe that noone else on here hasn't seen Logan yet!
Any chance you can ditch the 15 line sig when posting a one-line comment btw?
Its intent is a "last Wolverine" film, rather than as an X-Men finale. The current X-movies are still in the timeline before Wolverine joins the team, and if Jackman's done with the role it makes sense to give a sense of closure.inflatable dalek wrote:I think it's impact as an intended grand finale also suffers from knowing the current X-films are set earlier. Jackman could presumably show up in any and all of them if they threw enough money at him.
It's a good thing you've not seen Apocalypse. The post-credits scene acts as set-up for this movie in a way that would completely misled you. It explains where they get Wolverine's blood (which you don't really need to know), but in a manner that invokes the name of Nathaniel Essex, so when Richard E Grant isn't actually Mr Sinister it's an even bigger swerve.And the villains are terrible. The henchman is the best developed out of the three. The Surprise Baddy (though a marvellous WTF moment when they first appear) is mute and doesn't feel that tough, and Grant as mentioned has has nothing.
I love the Burton/Keaton Batman movies also. It's a shame that they seem to be lumped in with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin when the director and star of the earlier two had nothing to do with the later two.Skyquake87 wrote:I can't believe it's not butter.
Watched the two Burton Batman flicks over the weekend. The Nolan stuff is cool and all, but these are still my favourite cinematic version of Bats (closely followed by Lego Batman). Burton just nails everything that's ace and weird about the Batman comics. I love how Gotham looks miserable even in the daytime too! I spent a lot of time marveling at the production design this time through. He's eerie fairy tale look was a good fit for Batman.
Only seen him in Suicide Squad, so can't comment. Man Of Steel was enough of a turn off for me to have zero interest in a Batman/ Superman punch up. Be quite interested to see how Wonder Woman turns out though, as the trailer looks decent. But then, don't all trailers....Scotimus Prime wrote:Funny noone has mentioned Affleck's portrayal of Batman! seeing as someone is running through the various Batmen? & tbh we still dunno if he'll stay on or not as the Caped Crusader in The Batman film or not at this point in time, with all the fiasco that's going on.
Mind, I'd say it really is as much of an X-Men finale as it is a Wolverine one. He's the only character/actor in all the films to date, and perhaps more importantly he's the only one to actually remember the majority (I'm not sure about Apocalypse) of the films as we saw them. Even if they carry on doing past films it's really very much the end of an era for them in a big way.Brendocon 2.0 wrote:Its intent is a "last Wolverine" film, rather than as an X-Men finale. The current X-movies are still in the timeline before Wolverine joins the team, and if Jackman's done with the role it makes sense to give a sense of closure.
Everyone seems to think it's a good thing not to watch Apocalypse!It's a good thing you've not seen Apocalypse. The post-credits scene acts as set-up for this movie in a way that would completely misled you. It explains where they get Wolverine's blood (which you don't really need to know), but in a manner that invokes the name of Nathaniel Essex, so when Richard E Grant isn't actually Mr Sinister it's an even bigger swerve.
I think a rewatch at some point will probably help on a few things I wasn't clear on (either the sound wasn't very good on my screening or I Am Old).I think it is a Good Film. But I hated Shane with a fiery passion (mostly because of the kid) so it loses points for reminding me that was a thing.
SPOILER! (select to read)I was wondering if the Shane thing was down to Patrick Stewart, he's a big fan. When he directed The Next Generation's western episode he even cheerfully stole some of the shots from it.I wasn't sure why Canada was seen as a safe haven (wouldn't the baddies just cross the border and carry on the pursuit as they amoral bastards? They were happy to go into Mexico after all), nor why they were trying so hard to capture X-23 alive when they only wanted to kill the kids anyway.
Sidenote here about Logan working as a completely standalone film in a way none of the others do; divorced as it is from any real involvement with anything that came before (which isn't covered tangentially in dialogue).inflatable dalek wrote:Mind, I'd say it really is as much of an X-Men finale as it is a Wolverine one.
Pssst, he's not in Deadpool. Well, his face is, but he... look, shut up.He's the only character/actor in all the films to date
Point was that they've already backdoored the next generation of X-stuff (three movies down already, the next in production), with Jackman reduced to cameo stuff in two of them. Logan serves more as a curtain on Jackman's stuff than the era in general. If you want a grand finale for the entire franchise (as was), then Days of Future Past is it. Logan is more a coda for that specific character, and given Fox's approach to continuity then who's to say it can't be completely ignored down the line anyway.perhaps more importantly he's the only one to actually remember the majority (I'm not sure about Apocalypse) of the films as we saw them. Even if they carry on doing past films it's really very much the end of an era for them in a big way.
SPOILER! (select to read)That's basically the extent of his involvement in the movie, so draw your own conclusions about how important "what he remembers" is to the overall... well, pretending Fox's X-movies have an overall plot/arc/whatever is hilarious, but let's go with story.There's a sequence in Apocalypse where kidnapped 80s X-Kids are taken to the Weapon X facility, for no other plot reason other than so they can escape and in the process free Wolverine from his experiment-driven captivity. Jean calms him down with MIND POWER (or something, I've only seen it once and it's very boring) and he walks off mostly-nekkid into the Canadian snow.
In the post-credits sequence, somebody representing Nathaniel Essex turns up at Weapon X and grabs some vials of Wolverine's blood.
The kids were being held in Mexico, which is where the company was based... and the pursuants are US residents. So presumably an immigration thing and once they get across to the next country then they become refugees seeking asylum rather than illegal immigrants?SPOILER! (select to read)I wasn't sure why Canada was seen as a safe haven (wouldn't the baddies just cross the border and carry on the pursuit as they amoral bastards? They were happy to go into Mexico after all), nor why they were trying so hard to capture X-23 alive when they only wanted to kill the kids anyway.
Tricky to say, though given the similarities in narrative and closing dialogue, I'd be surprised if its inclusion was solely because one of the supporting cast liked it. Would presume a happy coincidence until confirmed otherwise.I was wondering if the Shane thing was down to Patrick Stewart, he's a big fan. When he directed The Next Generation's western episode he even cheerfully stole some of the shots from it.