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See, that's my real problem with the sequels - I could put up with the CGI; I could put up with proper actors dropping to the standards of Hamill, retired Guinness, retired Cushing, that writer chick etc.; I could put up with Jar-Jar... It's the joyless cataloguing of every mystery that got me. "Luke, I am your father" does the job, we don't need nine hours or whatever of Luke's father becoming Vader.Notabot wrote: Then I thought it was kind of lame, because once again they were shoehorning the main characters into decisions, designs, and origins that were utterly unnecessary and gratuitous.
I'll admit I only really had it on as background and am open to correction, but didn't they have at least four X-Wings still in play/ Luke, Wedge, Biggus Dickus and one other no-mark - seeing as it seems to make bugger-all difference to things when they do all pile into the trench regarding the Death Star's defensive weapons...TFVanguard wrote:No, one of them said "look out!" while spinning stupidly into the trench wall. But you're right about the lack of cover fire (though I think at this point they were OUT of ships to provide cover, it's not made too clear at this point, but only a few fighters got out of there...) After all, that's pretty much all the Falcon did at the end, nailed the trio with cover fire allowing Luke to pull off the skill shot.
Ahh, the guys who did the briefing just didn't have a clue, that's what it is. Anyway, that's not impossible, I used to bullseye swamprats in my T-16 back home all the time. Or something like that.A little too much WWII going on, maybe? You could argue that above the trench was enough anti-air and defenses to make such a shot impossible. Remember, they HAD to navigate the trench according to the briefing.
Aye, but it's fiction, and I do think it does distract from it - I mean, Star Wars is epic on toast, and for the Empire to be all that scary surely they have to be at least a match for long-running empires (Roman, British, etc.) that we've had so far.TFVanguard wrote:Crack open a history book. That's the way most evil empires in history have worked. Few live past their first Emporer. Even the Soviet Union, with all its power, didn't manage to last once the generation of 'revolutionaries' died of old age. And, at the risk of Godwinning, 30 years is two decades longer than the worst Empire of human history got.
In fictional terms (we'll declare a Goodwin truce for this bit, I think), the Nazi empire isn't that scary because it peaked in, what, five years, collapsed rapidly, was always heavily opposed, and there was somewhere just as big on the other side of the Atlantic that was likely to take it down as soon as it got seriously involved. Whereas in the original trilogy the rebels are basically an intergalactic resistance movement rather than an opposing army.
I like to think they're extras shipped in to make the ceremony less weird. It'd just be Leia presenting medals to the central cast in front of Wedge and that Y-wing pilot otherwise, and you'd just be able to hear them muttering about what gloryhounds they are.Wildrider wrote:A point possibly made obsolete by the vast quantities of Rebel pilots present at the medal ceremony, but without knowing a time-line between the Death Star going kaput and the ceremony, I guess it's feasible they all flew in from where ever they were based/hiding at the time.
