RIP Terri Schiavo
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RIP Terri Schiavo
For all the crap our wonderful government has done to this family. May whatever you all believe in *my views God but I respect anyone elses* finally grant this woman peace.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/31/schiavo/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/31/schiavo/index.html
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Originally posted by Ultimate Weapon
Dehydration is the worse posible way for a human to die. The tongue dries up and cracks, your skin starts to bleed. Horrible tragedy this all is. Reminds me of the euthanasia program the Nazi's used.
I was thinking the same thing myself. It's just sad to think that she suffered for so long. This is truly a case that nobody should have to go through.
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Mmm, I'm glad she's at peace now.
We try, at my hospital, to operate, a 'Palliative Care Pathway'. Whereby when a patient's prognosis is unavoidably death, we try and make them as comfortable as possible, but we withdraw things such as IV/sub-cut fluids and antibiotics, we only then manage pain and airway symptoms, via meds etc, nothing invasive.
There is a grey area though, in a 'living will', I've only treated one patient who subscribed to a living will, and that patient was an end stage Motor Neurone Disease, and she was admitted with a chest infection secondary to dysphagia (losing control of her swallow) the patient also developed a secondary infection, both infections gave this patient considerable discomfort, most notably to her breathing.
But we were unable to ease the patient's suffering, because knowing of the diagnosis and subsequent prognosis, the patient had filled out a 'living will' stating that whenever this patient was admitted to hospital for palliative care, that the patient was, under no circumstances, to recieve antibiotics.
As such she passed in some discomfort, yet we were unable to treat these symptoms due to the legalities of the 'living will'. It's frustrating and very upsetting.
I do believe totally in euthanasia, in certain circumstances and I have seen many people die in such a way, mostly due dehydration that would be so much better off, with a quick dose of diamorph all that suffering ends in a heartbeat, instead of two weeks.
Misguided love, heartbreaking.
We try, at my hospital, to operate, a 'Palliative Care Pathway'. Whereby when a patient's prognosis is unavoidably death, we try and make them as comfortable as possible, but we withdraw things such as IV/sub-cut fluids and antibiotics, we only then manage pain and airway symptoms, via meds etc, nothing invasive.
There is a grey area though, in a 'living will', I've only treated one patient who subscribed to a living will, and that patient was an end stage Motor Neurone Disease, and she was admitted with a chest infection secondary to dysphagia (losing control of her swallow) the patient also developed a secondary infection, both infections gave this patient considerable discomfort, most notably to her breathing.
But we were unable to ease the patient's suffering, because knowing of the diagnosis and subsequent prognosis, the patient had filled out a 'living will' stating that whenever this patient was admitted to hospital for palliative care, that the patient was, under no circumstances, to recieve antibiotics.
As such she passed in some discomfort, yet we were unable to treat these symptoms due to the legalities of the 'living will'. It's frustrating and very upsetting.
I do believe totally in euthanasia, in certain circumstances and I have seen many people die in such a way, mostly due dehydration that would be so much better off, with a quick dose of diamorph all that suffering ends in a heartbeat, instead of two weeks.
Misguided love, heartbreaking.
Not in this case. One would require the neurological capacity for pain to actually suffer it.Originally posted by Ultimate Weapon
Dehydration is the worse posible way for a human to die.
I hope the family can move on easily. What we need now is to make sure two certain branches of our government don't try to sidestep separation of powers again.
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Originally posted by Reflector
Not in this case. One would require the neurological capacity for pain to actually suffer it.
She was not a vegetable. She could see and feel, just like anybody else. What is your source for this determination? Her body had become accustomed to surviving long periods without water. That is why she was able to live so long without the tube.
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That was about the most eloquent thing I've ever read from you, SA.
I'm curious about yours, to be honest. Every doctor who examined her came to the conclusion that her cerebral cortex - the part of her brain that allowed her to do things like see and feel - had liquefied within months of her heart attack fifteen years ago. The only ones I've read say otherwise are Bill Frist and a few other partisan politician-doctors who never actually examined her.Originally posted by Ultimate Weapon
She was not a vegetable. She could see and feel, just like anybody else. What is your source for this determination?
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Originally posted by Reflector
Every doctor who examined her came to the conclusion that her cerebral cortex - the part of her brain that allowed her to do things like see and feel - had liquefied within months of her heart attack fifteen years ago.
That would not explain why she was able to say, "Help me mommy." This is clearly a scheme hatched by Micheal Schiavo.
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Originally posted by Ultimate Weapon
As far as I know she said it when they removed the feeding tube the first time.
Is it possible that I can see the source where you read this? I'm having trouble believing this since her cortex liquified nearly 15 years ago, which took away her ability to think.
Thanks, Zeeks! Great job!