Binaltech & TF Collection guide book first look!

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:48 am

http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=album&album ... de&start=0

Unused Bumblebee design!

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:50 pm

More pics at F2F:
http://www.fantofan.jp/

Wow. Bumblebee and Cliffjumper planned as VWs, a Porsche Jazz prototype (the one mentioned by Kobayashi Hironori and Kyde), and Decepticharge's head was planned to be... Windcharger?!?
Oh. And it was originally supposed to be used for the Grimlock remold.

And Lambor was originally going to be Tracks...

Knightdramon · Post by **Knightdramon** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:16 pm

So I guess Decepticharge's body was indeed scheduled for Windcharger...

[the name now makes sense, but is still hideous]

Bring it on, more Stunticons with stolen bodies!

Zisteau · Post by **Zisteau** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:20 pm

Originally posted by Nevermore
Unused Bumblebee design!

That design rocks. Why on earth wouldn't they have used that? (VW deal fall through?) Think of all the repaints they could have mined that for, too.

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:08 pm

Originally posted by Zisteau
That design rocks. Why on earth wouldn't they have used that? (VW deal fall through?)

VW are pussies. They already rejected Hasbro's approach in 2003. Allegedly, their words were "NO, and please NEVER bother to ask us again!"

Zisteau · Post by **Zisteau** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:39 pm

Originally posted by Nevermore
VW are pussies. They already rejected Hasbro's approach in 2003. Allegedly, their words were "NO, and please NEVER bother to ask us again!"

What utter a$sholes.

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:56 pm

Thinking about the "Dodge Viper with a Tracks head" designs and the Japanese designer stating that a "certain well-known American sports car" originally denied them the license...

That actually makes a lot of sense.

- It explains why Tracks has limited articulation even compared to Smokescreen (he was designed right after the Porsche)!
- That explains why Tracks is such an outdated model (A C5 Corvette).

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:00 pm

Remy's got more pics.

http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=album&album ... e&start=25

Anyone who STILL insists Swindle was NOT designed to be Trailbreaker is blind.

Ghirox · Post by **Ghirox** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:40 am

Originally posted by Nevermore
VW are pussies. They already rejected Hasbro's approach in 2003. Allegedly, their words were "NO, and please NEVER bother to ask us again!"

It appear that now they are "interested" in the movie, according to Don's word

Brimstone · Post by **Brimstone** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:26 pm

Originally posted by Nevermore
More pics at F2F:
http://www.fantofan.jp/Decepticharge's head was planned to be... Windcharger?!?

I would just like to point out that I already said this when the Decepticharge prototype surfaced and got jumped on for it:

http://tfarchive.com/community/showthre ... genumber=2

Just sayin', is all.

Is this the first definative, official proof that Dead End and Swindle were originally planned as Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker (and not just stolen bodies)?

It really ticks me off looking at this and thinking, "They had it right at one time...why the hell did they change their minds!?!" (about Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Overdrive, Windcharger, Jazz, Bumblebee, and Cliffjumper...although I understand it was out of their control on the last three).

And I agree...the Depticharge name (although makes sense now) is completely retarded. Why not just say it's Drag Strip? It's drag strip and call it a stolen Windcharger body? (it's not like the Alternator and Binaltech stories are meshing anyway)

Hell...to justify it for the Alternators say that the Decepticons stole the body originally intended for Windcharger and implanted Drag Strip. At the same time, they were completeing the body for Overdrive, but unfortunately, Overdrive died before the his new body was complete, so they implanted Windcharger's spark.

I don't know...anything to get rid of that hideous Decepticharge name... <sigh>

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:51 pm

Originally posted by Brimstone
Is this the first definative, official proof that Dead End and Swindle were originally planned as Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker (and not just stolen bodies)?

OFFICIAL yes. "Definite", no. The original red test shot ("prototype") we saw had a MOLDED Autobot logo on a piece that was not recycled from Side Swipe. I have a hard time believing that Hasbro/Takara were molding an Autobot logo piece when they were planning to make him Dead End from the get-go.

Hell...to justify it for the Alternators say that the Decepticons stole the body originally intended for Windcharger and implanted Drag Strip. At the same time, they were completeing the body for Overdrive, but unfortunately, Overdrive died before the his new body was complete, so they implanted Windcharger's spark.

Takara are calling the red Honda "Overdrive", so I assume they won't necessarily be having any need to explain the "Windcharger" name at all.

guest · Post by **guest** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:46 pm

the only reason that there are d-cons in the alt line in the first place is b/c everyone kept saying "bring on the decepticons." so this is what we get molds that were supposed to be autobots but had there bodies stolen so we as fans could have what we asked for. (By the way shock wave rocks! just found him) besides, all the cons are great and if the line did just consist of the a-bots, i don't think it would be as popular. we may complain from time to time, but i think we enjoy the surprise of who the new molds and remolds turn out to be.

guest · Post by **guest** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:47 pm

by the way brimstone, i agree with what you said about the heads!!!!

Brimstone · Post by **Brimstone** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:10 pm

Originally posted by Nevermore
Takara are calling the red Honda "Overdrive", so I assume they won't necessarily be having any need to explain the "Windcharger" name at all.

Yeah...I know...I guess I'm just kind of justifying it in my head for the Alternator line (since we'll probably never get an actual story). It'd be nice to not have to dork with the story like that though.

fourth_heir · Post by **fourth_heir** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:23 am

I've got to say I'm not impressed with that Jazz proto - looks like Porsche did him a huge favour by not licencing their car - the Mazda figure we got is way superior

Shame we didn't get the Bumblebee figure though (although I've never been a fan of his anime head design - I'd probably have indulged in a little kitbashing for a more toy-accurate look)

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:04 pm

I prefer the Goldbug head, personally.

Roadstripe · Post by **Roadstripe** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:47 am

Quoth Nevermore:[/i]
Takara are calling the red Honda "Overdrive", so I assume they won't necessarily be having any need to explain the "Windcharger" name at all.

Quoth Brimstone:
Yeah...I know...I guess I'm just kind of justifying it in my head for the Alternator line (since we'll probably never get an actual story). It'd be nice to not have to dork with the story like that though.

How about this:

The Decepticons steal Windcharger's body so the Autobots stick Windcharger's Spark in a spare Overdrive body, complete with magneto-discharger blaster which doesn't need a gun barrel even if it would look better with one. (Dang engineers, always monkeying around with things.)
As for who Decepticharge is, the Decepticons initially argued over who to stick in it, code-naming the body as 'Decepticharge' until they could figure out who to stick in it. The Decepticons probably think it's a dumb name as well.

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