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Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:44 pm

The Ark.

http://www.d13satellite.com/donmurphy/s ... post731054

Originally posted by Roberto OrciOne of the questions we always had about the ark:

Why would aliens who moonlight as vehicles need other vehicles to travel inside?

Why do humans who can walk with their legs need a car to travel inside?

Jaynz · Post by **Jaynz** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:48 pm

The Ark.

Who.... who said that? I don't mind not showing the Ark.. but that as the REASON?!

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:50 pm

He gets that it's an interplanetary vessel, right?

Cliffjumper · Post by **Cliffjumper** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:53 pm

Yeh, I have no problem with no showing/mention of the Ark... Just as long as they don't give a crap explanation - I hope the quote's a bit out of context...

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:58 pm

Aye, it's by no means integral to the story.

"Why would they need a spaceship seeing as they have compatriots who can turn into spaceships?" is a valid query. "Why would they need a spaceship when they can turn into vehicles" is a slight oversimplification which misses the point massively.

T.V. · Post by **T.V.** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:22 pm

Originally posted by Brendocon
He gets that it's an interplanetary vessel, right?

Isn't Megatron as wel?

Putting my own spin on it, humans advance by building increasingly complex tools, like cars, tanks, hammers, etc.
Transformers on the other hand, become tools.
The don't build a car or a hammer, they transform into one.
If they want to travel interstellar distances, they design alt modes capable of such feats.

That's IMO also the underlying philosophy why the movie bots don't have firearms, but rather have parts of their body transform into weapons, much like T-X from Terminator III is able to.

Furthermore, why would a TF use a giant spaceship to travel such a distance, if a Space Bridge is available?
Seems to me that TFs travel much like Jodi Foster's character ultimately does in the climax of Contact.
They exit the Space Bridge just shy of the atmosphere, entering it in heat resisant pods they function much like the Gemini, Apollo and Sojoez pods, and the future Space Shuttle replacement.

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:24 pm

Originally posted by T.V.
Isn't Megatron as wel?

Yes. And I'm sure he's more than amenable to the Autobots hitching a lift in him whenever they need to get about a bit.

Jaynz · Post by **Jaynz** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:55 pm

Yeah, Prowl can just.. ya know.. completely rebuild himself at any time for any purpose.. just like we can convert a tank into a space shuttle while on the battlefield.

Nevermore · Post by **Nevermore** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:57 pm

I just had this idea for a premature April Fool's joke:

"We were thinking: Why would alien robots that disguise as Earth vehicles need to transform into humanoid robots anyways? So ultimately we had no reason to have them transform anymore. Which was kind of convenient, because Bay was afraid that using a name such as 'Transformers' would tie the movie to old stuff, which would drive people off from watching it. So we decided to get rid of the robots transfoming thing and renamed the project 'SPACEBOTS'."

jhlucas · Post by **jhlucas** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:35 pm

Originally posted by Nevermore
I just had this idea for a premature April Fool's joke:

"We were thinking: Why would alien robots that disguise as Earth vehicles need to transform into humanoid robots anyways? So ultimately we had no reason to have them transform anymore. Which was kind of convenient, because Bay was afraid that using a name such as 'Transformers' would tie the movie to old stuff, which would drive people off from watching it. So we decided to get rid of the robots transfoming thing and renamed the project 'SPACEBOTS'."

Oh, that's good!

The Ark was what it was: a means of high-capacity transportation. How many bots could turn into something that big (not counting Unicron and Primus)? Fort-Max, maybe?

Jaynz · Post by **Jaynz** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:14 pm

The Ark was what it was: a means of high-capacity transportation. How many bots could turn into something that big (not counting Unicron and Primus)? Fort-Max, maybe?

Not many. Astrotrain (in shuttle mode), Sky Lynx, Broadside (in some episodes), Fort Max, Scorponok, Trypticon, Metroplex (as a guess, we never see him doing it), Brave Max, Grand Max, Tidal Wave (manga), and Omega Supreme (G1 cartoon only).

I was SO hoping that the script had ditched the magic 'nano-ball' concept.. doesn't sound like it's changed much at all from the last leaked script, really.

And, you know, human-like metallic faces are unrealistic and impossible! Except for the holloween statuary I saw in Target yesterday which did JUST THAT.

Is it safe to say that the creative staff on this movie are morons yet?

Notabot · Post by **Notabot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:09 pm

Don't forget Cosmos. I distinctly remember a G1 episode of several autobots riding through space in the cavernous innards of wee little Cosmos.

AutobotJazz · Post by **AutobotJazz** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:04 pm

Ah then you must have missed the episode where Cosmos gets his Tardis circuit added...big celebration had by all!

jhlucas · Post by **jhlucas** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:34 pm

Originally posted by Notabot
Don't forget Cosmos. I distinctly remember a G1 episode of several autobots riding through space in the cavernous innards of wee little Cosmos.

Ahhh...the joys of plot holes wiped away by mass-shifting.

Not that I have a problem with mass-shifting in general. I mean, come on, if we can accept sentient-transforming-alien-robots, laser rifles, the whole quasi-mystical matrix, and the planet-eating demon Unicron...is mass-shifting really THAT big an issue?

Back to the thread topic...I totally agree with Nevermore's reasoning. TFs would use huge spacecraft for multiple reasons, but namely one: in the absence of a gigantic bot (i.e. Fortress Maximus, etc) or a space-bridge, huge ships are efficient for mass-transportation.

Jaynz · Post by **Jaynz** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:52 pm

Don't forget Cosmos. I distinctly remember a G1 episode of several autobots riding through space in the cavernous innards of wee little Cosmos.

Ah, yes, the bug spray episode. Wonder why I blocked THAT from my mind. (Actually, it was executed pretty well, just a really stupid premise, though...)

Tetsuro · Post by **Tetsuro** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:05 pm

Originally posted by TFVanguard
Ah, yes, the bug spray episode. Wonder why I blocked THAT from my mind. (Actually, it was executed pretty well, just a really stupid premise, though...)

And even then it was only Bumblebee and Spike. And don't forget Hoist driving Huffer in one episode.

Cliffjumper · Post by **Cliffjumper** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:55 pm

Originally posted by Tetsuro
And don't forget Hoist driving Huffer in one episode.

That has to be one of the biggest "WTF?" moments in the kids' show, just because it was meant to look like that and someone really thought it made sense...

Post by **inflatable dalek** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:51 pm

Originally posted by Brendocon
Yes. And I'm sure he's more than amenable to the Autobots hitching a lift in him whenever they need to get about a bit.

Well, considering how stupid Megatron usually is, it'd probably all be part of some cunning plan.

Clogs · Post by **Clogs** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:33 pm

Don't forget that the Ark (allegedly, errm) carried non-active TFs on the voyage that ended with the crash on Earth. So, we're looking at more of a complex spaceship a la Enterprise than a Transforming spaceship; we have a lot of tales showing that non-sentient etc vehicles were built and used on and off Cybertron.

And now have an image of assorted 'bots thumbing a lift as Megs goes by. Cheers for that!

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