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inflatable dalek 2016-06-01 07:15 PM

Revolution: IDW and the Hasbro Shared Universe.
 
As is now commonplace, IDW are doing a summer event that will link all their current IDW properties firmly into one shared continuity:

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/01...alflow_twitter

Not a huge amount of information is currently available beyond the franchises involved (Action Man?) and that it won't negate current continuity for those series that are already up and running like Transformers.

But based on the current info both there and in Chris Ryall's tweets today:

This will be achieved in a way that will make sense of obvious disparities like G.I. Joe not noticing All Hail Megatron (so some sort of multiple realities meshing has to be the only likely explanation).

After the biweekly series is over, Ex-RID will be reverting to issue 1, MTMTE will be "Relaunched" in some other way (? It's a garbled tweet tbh due to trying not to reveal too much), but Till All Are One will be carrying on without an almost immediate reboot. Indeed, as Sara Pitra-Durocher had to send an email to Chris Ryall after the announcement to check she was still in work (as possibly did the Micronauts artist as there was a reassuring tweet about him as well) it looks like that book is being kept completely out of the loop.

It will then carry on like the Marvel Universe (you know, the one that partly removed Transformers from its continuity because there's no way giant alien robot invasion wouldn't have become everyone's top priority) with the characters from all the franchises running into each other every so often.

It all feels... a bit driven from on high by Hasbro and possibly without much advance notice (launching a new ongoing right before the Big Push rather than with it seems odd) and whilst there's been no Captain America fandom style reaction there is a lot of mild confusion and worry. Especially with the (unintentional?) tone of a lot of James Roberts tweets lately (about how Dying of the Light would make a good finale, how he's looking forward to full disclosure interviews when it's over...).

My main worry here is simply that most of the Big Events IDW have tried with Transformers haven't been very good and that the only one of these properties with any real weight to it beside TF's is the one that does regular crossovers with it anyway.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-06-01 07:32 PM

The overwhelming desire to make absolutely everything part of a shared universe is one of the Top Sixteen Things I Hate About Modern Culture, You Won't Believe Number 7.

Flimflammery 2016-06-01 07:33 PM

'All these things exist together. That's what the fans want to see'. Like f*** they do.

I feel really sorry for Scott in this situation. She's already had one series torpedoed from the off by a terrible toy-selling event that meant it never really cemented its own identity, and now her second full series is having to contend with *two* potentially Godawful pieces of crap subsuming it within the first six months of its debut. I mean, give her a break.

inflatable dalek 2016-06-01 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendocon 2.0 (Post 758999)
The overwhelming desire to make absolutely everything part of a shared universe is one of the Top Sixteen Things I Hate About Modern Culture, You Won't Believe Number 7.

Especially as so many of them (including this one) seem to miss what made the Marvel films succeed with the general public: They didn't assume prior knowledge and gave each of the main heroes at least one film to establish themselves so that there would be anticipation for their big team up.

Rushing straight into the mesh up with some characters that a large part of the audience aren't going to care about (presumably it's not going to be the version of Action Man who is actually in G.I. Joe as it mentions him as a separate thing, so is it "Yay, we can vicariously live the thrill of killing Germans!" 70's take? Hunter from Gladiators take?) is like going straight to orgasm without foreplay.

Do Serious Joe fans still look down on Transformers? This'll give them kittens.

*Agreed with Mr. Flammery about Stone's poor luck.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-06-01 07:42 PM

Though if MTMTE gets binned and the entire continuity sealed off, it might give me an excuse to start reading it.

Might even get there without every single plot twist being spoiled for me.

Flimflammery 2016-06-01 08:01 PM

And surprise, surprise, Ryall is throwing around that terrible recent article equating all fandom concerns and criticisms with overly demanding entitlement. If he hadn't earned my contempt with his previously-exhibited lack of talent and inability to keep any continuity straight, this has cemented it.

A cry of 'read it and judge, don't condemn out of hand' when applied to an obvious marketing scheme trying desperately to jump on the shared world gravy train is a far more entitled attitude than any I've seen made by fans so far in response to this announcement. They're going to have to do a lot more than this terrible press release to convince me that this event is worth any of my money.

inflatable dalek 2016-06-01 08:05 PM

I missed that tweet, odd as Ryall was perfectly pleasant to me. Guess the sheer number of tweets has overwhelmed him? Certainly the reaction from fans I've seen has been puzzled and worried but not angry.

And yeah, you can't really complain about people pre-judging your series when the entire purpose of this PR piece is to try and get people to pre-judge it in favour of buying.

Cyberstrike nTo 2016-06-01 08:08 PM

I can see some of these working in the same universe (IIRC they already said that M.A.S.K. was going to be a G.I. Joe spin-off anyway) but only if they were STARTED that way and were planned that way from the ground up.
Throwing them together in a Crisis on Infinite Earths style storyline is not going to help them in the long term however IMHO. Chances are it will hurt all the properties because:
A) I think people are getting sick of shared movie and TV show universes.

B) No other than Marvel and the people running the DC TV shows on the CW have figured out how to it right.

C) The problem is that all the previous continuities with The Transformers and G.I. Joe that IDW already has done and inherited from other publishers, and the fact that neither of those properties have ever worked well together without being completely bat-shit insane stories or just plain awful.

Red Dave Prime 2016-06-01 08:10 PM

I have no interest in crossover stuff. I cant speak for the actual comics that Marvel o but the movies have worked because as said, they have been built that way. Everything has been done to link them up. This wouldnt be the case and while I know its all toy brands and a bit silly really, you cant have MASK and GI Joe and the Transformers in the same universe.

Mask would come across so low rent compared to GI Joe in terms of size and scale so why bother - You could just make up a mini-series about a small Joe Squad vs a small cobra squad and it would pretty much replicate MASK v Venom. As for Transformers, at the point Ex-Rid is at, GI Joes take would seem so low-fi not just to the Cybertronians but also to the current Human army. And this would all mean that GI Joe and Mask would have to acknowledge that aliens are real.

I've probably already given this more thought than Ryall would seem to.

I can only seeing this killing my interest in the books. At this point I'm already considering cancelling my orders for everything except MTMTE once sins ends and while that may seem unfair to Scott, fact is the windblade second series wasnt great and the thoughts of MORE starscream vs windblade doesnt fill me with any joy.

This could be where I get of the train. Ah well.

Skyquake87 2016-06-01 08:10 PM

Yay a lot of licensed properties sharing a Universe together for no good reason...

Looking forward to the G.I.Joe / Transformers/ My Little Pony / Care Bears crossover.

Should be awesome.




hooray for comics

Red Dave Prime 2016-06-01 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by that dumbass Ryall
Like I said, we live in a world where contrived universes are being created daily now

Even he knows its bollocks

Patapsco 2016-06-01 08:17 PM

Hmmm... a publisher that releases comics based on toys is given an order by the maker of toys to tie all of their toy comics together, and people are shocked?

Brendocon 2.0 2016-06-01 08:23 PM

If I were in charge of setting all this up (and, let's be honest, I should be), I'd put it together as a multiverse with scope for occasional Infestation-style dimensional crossovers.

But that would make sense.

Though obviously v.excited about the potential for a Transformer to adopt a Care Bear alt mode.

Skyquake87 2016-06-01 08:24 PM

I'm not shocked, just ... previous form shows this has never worked out well.

And why is it necessary? Its not like comics are selling in their millions to make this a worthwhile exercise. If it suddenly meant Hasbro's various properties become the next mega-franchise, then fair enough.

Flimflammery 2016-06-01 08:38 PM

Yeah, I'd hardly say I was shocked. Its entirely characteristic. Doesn't mean it's any less of a terrible idea.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-06-01 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendocon 2.0 (Post 759014)
Though obviously v.excited about the potential for a Transformer to adopt a Care Bear alt mode.

Battle Beasts: The Saga Begins

Skyquake87 2016-06-01 08:44 PM

"Fire Beats Wood"


"AAAAnd 30ft robot beats tiny armoured animal"



*squishing noises*

One of the My Little Ponies starts sobbing.


This whole crossover will be like Robot Chicken, won't it?

Will Connect 4, Monopoly and MouseTrap also feature...?

Patapsco 2016-06-01 08:44 PM

Rodimus hands over command of The Lost Light to Twilight Sparkle, James Roberts found on a cliff in Guernsey, wistfully looking out to sea with a small tear in his eye

Red Dave Prime 2016-06-01 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Patapsco (Post 759012)
Hmmm... a publisher that releases comics based on toys is given an order by the maker of toys to tie all of their toy comics together, and people are shocked?

Not shocked, just disappointed.

Look, being absolute honest here, I love MTMTE. Even with a dodgy issue its IMO the best TF comic by far ever. The last five years have been mostly great and I'd like to see it concluded to some degree in the manner Roberts intended. Its clearly very much a personal piece for him and while I wont discount that someone could do a better comic or could take the same characters and premise and make it better, my gut feeling is that when he calls it a day many of the MTMTE fans will go with him.

Ex-RID is very up and down and while I dont like the idea of crossovers, i reckon that book could handle it but I really would hate to see the lost light story have to divert for some crossover bullshit. And sure, its Hasbros stuff and they can do what they like with it but I kinda hoped we would get to the end of roberts tale before the big hand interfered in such an intrusive way.

Ryan F 2016-06-01 08:59 PM

I can't really chime in here with any great authority, as I'm only just really starting to get into the IDW stuff - I know a lot of you guys have stuck with it for ten years and are more emotionally invested in it than I am.

One thing that put me off Marvel stuff is the constant hyperlinking to other books, like "Oho, Dr. Insane, I thought you perished in the volcano in Thor #274", "No, you're wrong! I was rescued by the alien Zog in Web of Amazing Spectacular Spider-Man #12, and then given a new body in Uncanny West Coast X-Factor #72. Oh, and if you'd read Ultimate New New Mutants Volume 3 issue 7, you'd know I prefer to go by the name Dr. Mega-Insane now!!!"

I'm worried that if I see Action Man pop up in a TF book and mention some previous meeting, the OCD in me will want to go buy all the Action Man trades just so I get the full story, know what I mean? Gah, I'm a marketing man's wet dream, falling right into the trap.

The cynic in me says that Transformers is being used as a crutch to support things like ROM or Micronauts which don't really have the same global appeal. This can be a good thing - if not for the success of the Avengers films we may never have gotten Guardians of the Galaxy, so maybe by piggybacking on Transformers we may get a decent Action Man strip that could surprise a few people.

Count me in as cautiously optimistic, especially as someone who used to love MASK back in the day. I recognise that people are fearful that it might bugger up Transformers, but I guess we won't know if it'll be a success until it happens.

I pity the poor wiki editors who have to sort all this lot out [reads entries for G1 Wheelie and G1 Tracks again, then compares the word-count of the Ian Rimmer article to that of the David Willis article], oh, actually no I don't.

Skyquake87 2016-06-01 09:09 PM

Hmmm...difference being those are big budget films that are aiming for popular appeal...

This really isn't the same.

And we only got stuff like GOTG and Ant-Man because after X-Men, Spider-Man, The Avengers and Iron Man... you're left with a lot of middling concepts and some outright dross (though I would love to see a Hellcat movie that's as whimsical and weird as her comics have been).

Although it wasn't quite the same, Marvel UK's attempts to do a shared universe with all its licensed titles fell similarly short and just looked, well, a bit crap.

Patapsco 2016-06-01 09:09 PM

Hang on, only The Transformers (Barber's book) has been mentioned by name as being soft rebooted, and Barber's shown before he can knot together random crap from continuities and at least make it readable, if not actually good. But in none of the official releases has MtMtE been mentioned as being touched aside from "relaunched" which, if memory serves, it was post Dark Cybertron with a slightly different cast. How's about waiting to see if the sky is falling before saying it actually is?

Brendocon 2.0 2016-06-01 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyquake87 (Post 759028)
you're left with a lot of middling concepts and some outright dross

Nearly died of laughter when they binned the Inhumans movie off the schedule.

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Originally Posted by Patapsco
How's about waiting to see if the sky is falling before saying it actually is?

Are you new? :o

Skyquake87 2016-06-01 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Patapsco (Post 759029)
Barber's shown before he can knot together random crap from continuities and at least make it readable, if not actually good.


And therein lies the crux of the matter.

Denyer 2016-06-01 09:13 PM

At this point I've long since been reading Transformers for specific writers and occasionally checking out previews of other stuff, the same as any other comics.

Event books and crossovers are generally disappointing either to see announced or read, but if it runs through issues of the ongoing title I already get (like Dark Cybertron) will probably not cancel or pause that sub unless it gets fall-off-a-cliff stupid. Haven't bothered with DC in trade paperback, had read Infestation but didn't rate it.

Not sure if new numbering on a vol two or similar = different comic in sub terms.

On the plus side Avengers vs TFs was considered to be in-universe and impacted nothing. Infestation mostly ditto. IDW haven't handled marketing crossovers too badly in that sense.

Patapsco 2016-06-01 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendocon 2.0 (Post 759030)
Are you new? :o

I'll have you know that I've been claiming the sky is falling on MtMtE since #47, and am still very much on the fence that I won't be binning it off post current arc. I also completely dropped out of the IDW continuity at the end of AHM and didn't come back until... 18 months ago? The Transformers is definitely going into the bin once All Hail Optimus is done

Ryan F 2016-06-01 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyquake87 (Post 759028)
Hmmm...difference being those are big budget films that are aiming for popular appeal...

This really isn't the same.

Well, I dunno. Both Marvel Pictures and IDW comics are both there to make money, not high art. Would we have gotten GOTG at all if Iron Man et al. hadn't been money-spinners? Establish the Marvel name using franchises people actually care about, before launching Ant-Man and Deadpool which the average punter would barely have heard of (if at all). Not so different to IDW's plan, I'd say.

But what do I know? Other than GOTG (which I only saw because it had Rocket Raccoon in it), I gave up on the Marvel movies years ago (around the time of X-Men 3 and Rise of the Silver Surfer). My favourite Marvel film is the Ang Lee Hulk, which most everyone else seems to hate.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-06-01 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan F (Post 759034)
But what do I know? Other than GOTG (which I only saw because it had Rocket Raccoon in it), I gave up on the Marvel movies years ago (around the time of X-Men 3 and Rise of the Silver Surfer). My favourite Marvel film is the Ang Lee Hulk, which most everyone else seems to hate.

Well for what it's worth X3 (2006) and FF2 (2007) are part of Fox's "we've got the rights and we're going to churn out whatever crap to keep them" sequence of movies, and predate/are entirely separate to the universe Marvel launched with Iron Man in 2008.

Ang Lee's Hulk was decent, if a bit long and self-indulgent.

Topic in danger of being sidetracked. Specific point being that Marvel themselves didn't actually start making movies until after the examples cited. :)

Patapsco 2016-06-01 09:26 PM

And remember we have the Titan's Return stuff coming as well, which I think is following closely after the two arcs are done if I remember right

Ryan F 2016-06-01 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendocon 2.0 (Post 759035)
Topic in danger of being sidetracked. Specific point being that Marvel themselves didn't actually start making movies until after the examples cited. :)

I cited Avengers, Iron Man, GOTG, Ant-Man and Deadpool to make the original point, all I did was offer up X3 and FF2 as examples of Marvel-related films I didn't really like...

Moving on...

As with nu-Ghostbusters, or nu-Top Gear, IDW have already made a lot of readers sceptical about the new stuff before it's even happened. Whether the fears are justified or not, they've undoubtedly lost some readers already just by making the announcement.

It puts extra pressure on the series to knock it out of the park, get the good reviews and claw some of the knee-jerkers back into the fold. There are people saying "That's it, I'm out" on TFW2005 already.

The crossover itself will be a bugger to write. Weaving a coherent story around a cast of hundreds, all vying for attention will be tricky. Also you've got to basically introduce ROM, T-Bob and so forth to readers ignorant of those other franchises. Establishing the disparate characters AND giving them all something to do AND giving it a decent plot would be a challenge for a lot of writers, not least given the pressure this book is under to succeed.

Bumblemus Prime 2016-06-02 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Brendocon 2.0 (Post 759002)
Though if MTMTE gets binned and the entire continuity sealed off, it might give me an excuse to start reading it.

Might even get there without every single plot twist being spoiled for me.

Gatsby is a sled

Cyberstrike nTo 2016-06-02 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dave Prime (Post 759009)
I have no interest in crossover stuff. I cant speak for the actual comics that Marvel o but the movies have worked because as said, they have been built that way. Everything has been done to link them up. This wouldnt be the case and while I know its all toy brands and a bit silly really, you cant have MASK and GI Joe and the Transformers in the same universe.

Mask would come across so low rent compared to GI Joe in terms of size and scale so why bother - You could just make up a mini-series about a small Joe Squad vs a small cobra squad and it would pretty much replicate MASK v Venom. As for Transformers, at the point Ex-Rid is at, GI Joes take would seem so low-fi not just to the Cybertronians but also to the current Human army. And this would all mean that GI Joe and Mask would have to acknowledge that aliens are real.

I've probably already given this more thought than Ryall would seem to.

I can only seeing this killing my interest in the books. At this point I'm already considering cancelling my orders for everything except MTMTE once sins ends and while that may seem unfair to Scott, fact is the windblade second series wasnt great and the thoughts of MORE starscream vs windblade doesnt fill me with any joy.

This could be where I get of the train. Ah well.


I would rather IDW do an All-New All-Different shared universe between The Transformers, G.I. Joe, M.A.S.K., ROM, The Micronauts, Action Man, Dungeons and Dragons, Magic: The Gathering, Jem & The Holograms, Battle Beasts, and My Little Pony without trying to mesh their current series and/or previous continuities.

Basically it would a new line of comics separate from the current The Transformers, MTMTE, TAO, G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero, and the MLP titles and universes and you can put the current Micronauts, ROM, Action Man, titles and IDW just bring the current titles in the Revolution Universe because they're still fairly young and you bring IDW's original G.I. Joe universe in it (that is if Hasbro/IDW want to salvage it, from I've read about it IDW's original G.I. Joe universe is such a mess that it seems that IDW has abandoned in favor of G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero). I would be in favor of that.

IMHO trying to smash all these different continuities together reeks of DC's crap like Flashpoint event. While I haven't read the book I did watch the animated movie The Flashpoint Paradox which the book is based on and it was the easily the worst animated movie I've seen in a long time everything in it absolutely SUCKS! I wanted to wash my eyes with bleach after it was over it is that awful. Thankfully I watched this POS on Netflix and didn't "pay" for it and now I never want to see it again. Now granted I know that the movie and the book are different media, but still if WB and DC wanted me to buy that book after watching that crap they can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which happens first. And to make matters worst apparently a Flashpoint style storyline will kick off season 3 of The Flash and might the "mega crossover" that the CW has already announced between Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, and Legends of Tomorrow and if the endings to season one to both Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow already hinting at something like that.

Skyquake87 2016-06-02 07:20 PM

I agree. They can do their Secret Wars style cross-brand promotion in one tidy book and it can stand and fall on its own merits and that'd be fine. The industry has enough terrible cross over garbage that has no intrinsic artistic worth or value without adding this to the heap.

I'm unfamiliar with IDWs other licensed toy property comics because ...I couldn't care less about them. No amount of Hasbro mandated shoe-horning of all this stuff together will make me pick up and read them or go out and buy the toys or whatever it is thats supposed to happen out of this that's made it a big priority all of a sudden. I'm obviously not the target audience for this, but then who is? Will new readers be attracted by a mash up of all your '80s toy faves? Maybe ten or so years ago at the height of the nostalgia boom, but now...?

(is it all of a sudden as well, or is this a poorly announced decision that's actually been planned in the background somewhere and no one passed the memo on?)

I dunno, I've lived through enough terrible, bloated crossovers that ultimately don't matter (even the really good ones like Civil War) to view them only for what they are ; a way to create some short term interest and short term sales boosts. The last decade was littered with mega-event crossovers and I'm just worn out and disinterested in them. Its largely whats put me off superhero comics for good. IDWs previous form with things like Infestation don't have me holding out much hope that this'll be like Final Crisis. The best it can hope to be is something like Barber and Sicoli's Transformers / G.I. Joe, and that was a joke that outstayed its welcome. I picked up Dark Cybertron grudgingly and wish I hadn't, as that was also awful.

Flashpoint was bobbins. I liked those Flash event stories from when Wally West was Flash and Mark Waid did the writing. They were properly ace.

Denyer 2016-06-02 08:15 PM

It seems to be missing the point, yeah -- I don't think the tail end of the nostalgia bubble is why the majority of people carrying the titles are reading them. There's part of the audience that will buy into convention repaints, etc, and it's no doubt why 3P toy companies have been successful. But it's doubtful anyone's been picking up MTMTE because they liked seeing Megatron call a retreat on the telly, or even ex-RID because they want to see Prime be how the character was in previous media.

Red Dave Prime 2016-06-02 09:14 PM

I think the cross overs need to be a bit more sensible as well - I hated the idea of spiderman in the transformers universe to be honest. I could however go with a Gobot crossover, or Robotech one. I'm not sure they'd be good but they would make more sense to me. I think a few years back DC did a DC v He-man one which I cant imagine was anygood. Superman v He-Man has a certain interest but once you start chucking in Batman etc. - yucks.

inflatable dalek 2016-06-03 02:38 PM

More substantial PR interview that's much better than the first in that it actually has some details in it (though still not for what happens to the existing books afterwards). It doesn't sway me, but this is much more like what the first announcement should have been:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/ar...ing-revolution

Skyquake87 2016-06-03 07:43 PM

IDW need to make John Barber EIC or whatever and demote Ryall to chief counter of paperclips or something.

Barber makes it sound interesting and almost worthwhile. The bit about having an amazing brainstorming session and jumping on a plane to speak to Hasbro whiffs of ...whiffy things though.


It still doesn't really seem like it has much of a point, though. Plus how do you square frickin' Micronauts and Visionaries in the same contemporary timeline without it looking silly?

"We are Knights Of The Magical Light!" (makes pretty hologram)

"We are Cobra. We have a Terrordrome."

BOOOOOM!

" 'Knights Of The Magical Light'. Pfft. What a bunch of dilberts."






What the heck is ROM?

Is it like RAM? Is that what it is? Is that good?

Patapsco 2016-06-03 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyquake87 (Post 759066)
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What the heck is ROM?

Is it like RAM? Is that what it is? Is that good?

It's read only as opposed to random access, so much better

Brendocon 2.0 2016-06-03 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyquake87 (Post 759066)
What the heck is ROM?

Is it like RAM? Is that what it is? Is that good?

ROM is a robot that Hasbro chucked at Marvel and said "do something to flog that", leading to the creation of the Spaceknights.

Marvel own all the backstory and supporting cast and concepts, etc, but the rights to the character itself reverted back to Hasbro. Meaning that Spaceknights, Direwraiths etc can crop up wherever Marvel want them to, but they can't reprint any of the original story or any of the issues that ROM himself guest starred in (without heavy editing). Think of the hoops IDW had to jump through to reprint Marvel's TF #3, but on a much more catastrophic scale.

I did pick up IDW's ROM FCBD issue, which I really must read at some point if only to find out what the hell they've done with it.

inflatable dalek 2016-06-04 05:27 PM

My extensive researh (asking on Twitter) suggests IDW can use at least some of the back-story, presumably their good working relationship with Marvel has allowed some sort of deal to be done.


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