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praetorian 2014-10-30 02:41 PM

Transformers 5 News and Rumours
 
IGN reporting that Michael Bay will not be directing the fifth installment:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/...-drama-instead

Neuronutter 2014-10-30 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by praetorian (Post 744141)
IGN reporting that Michael Bay will not be directing the fifth installment:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/...-drama-instead

Oh, this old sausage again. I'm sure we've been through this nonsense before.

Quote from IGN:
"After implying he'd like to "flex new muscles" after Transformers 4, director Michael Bay has officially passed on helming Transformers 5 -- and instead, will tackle the Benghazi-based 13 hours."

Benghazi through the lens of Bay? Wow.

numbat 2014-10-30 08:33 PM

Didn't Bay do this with TF4, basically as a lever for funding (and time) to do 'Pain and Gain'? I wouldn't be surprised if he was doing the same thing again - after all, it must get boring doing Transformers films all the time when you're a film-maker. (That said Bay's really an auteur... I wouldn't say he gives variety, no matter the film title, but damn he does his thing well!)

I hope they sort it though - I have severe doubts that Transformers films would work out well without Bay's unique visual style and great directorial balance (he was made for these films!).

Knightdramon 2014-10-30 11:13 PM

Isn't this like the fourth time in a row he's said this?

Attention whore at best. He'll do it once again, mark my words.

calvin_0 2014-10-31 07:07 AM

i would be truly surprise if he really left this time... sadly he probably will come back..

Knightdramon 2014-10-31 10:45 PM

To be absolutely fair to him though, each movie [since ROTF] has been progressively been better than the previous one. Though with a gem like ROTF that's not really saying much. :lol:

numbat 2014-11-01 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightdramon (Post 744180)
To be absolutely fair to him though, each movie [since ROTF] has been progressively been better than the previous one. Though with a gem like ROTF that's not really saying much. :lol:

Yet the critics say each one has got progressively worse. Bay must have thick skin for that not to irritate him!

(And then you've got people going 'look how amazing and successful Guardians of the Galaxy was based on box office' and 'Even though Age of Extinction was at the top, it performed really badly for that month historically' yet AoE took way more globally and is currently the top box office winner for 2014... Not that I am comparing the two - I personally do think GotG was a much better film.)

Firestrider57 2015-08-07 10:08 AM

"Creators"
 
Ok, since this is the Transformers 5 forum, I want to throw my hat into the ring. I honestly believe we will get a Bayesque version of the Quintessons here. Why? The "hands" of the creators were seen early in the AoE and were not overly gigantic-clearly shattering the idea that Unicron NOR Primus could be the creators in this installment. The hands resembled the hands of the Fallen, and were located in their funky weird star ships with weird lights.
Honestly, the Quintessons would be very believable since the G1 cartoon (and comics) gave the creator job to the Quintessons ,and why they built Cybertron. Also, Cybertron, according to Bay, was NOT Primus, but a hollowed-out K'nex piece that imploded on itself in DOTM. The Quints would lend themselves also to current movieverse design, which could prove frighteningly well, with the Fallen as a loose model for design ( add the multiple faces).

Cliffjumper 2015-08-07 01:20 PM

Fifteen years ago I'd be dead against the idea of Quints. But now I'm basically ready to listen to anything other than Primus.

Though I'd prefer something original over both; after 30-odd years of huge variety the mythos behind Transformers is starting to congeal to a set of boring universal facts; Bay's just the kind of man to stuff a hand grenade in that sort of thing's mouth and drop-kick it off a skyscraper.

Regarding him directing it's a case of "who else?". Paramount want to appeal to the millions of people who went to see the last four, not a few idiots who think knowing Christopher Nolan's name makes them a film expert. And for Bay it gives him more leverage for doing other work; it's basically the same thing Steven Soderbergh does.

Regarding success and reception Bay continues to do good work of utterly confounding doubters (you don't have to go far through any old threads for 2/3/4 to find someone saying Bay got lucky last time and this one would be the disaster) while simultaneously showing most film critics to be old media relics with little to no connection to actual cinemagoers. Most of the ****s watch the things on DVD for a start.

Brendocon 2.0 2015-08-07 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliffjumper (Post 751032)
Regarding him directing it's a case of "who else?". Paramount want to appeal to the millions of people who went to see the last four, not a few idiots who think knowing Christopher Nolan's name makes them a film expert.

Oh my god I heart the notion of the Nolans doing a TF film. If only to find out exactly how he'd motivate Optimus Prime without a dead wife to lean on.

inflatable dalek 2015-08-07 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendocon 2.0 (Post 751033)
Oh my god I heart the notion of the Nolans doing a TF film. If only to find out exactly how he'd motivate Optimus Prime without a dead wife to lean on.

Introduce Elita-1.

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Though I'd prefer something original over both; after 30-odd years of huge variety the mythos behind Transformers is starting to congeal to a set of boring universal facts; Bay's just the kind of man to stuff a hand grenade in that sort of thing's mouth and drop-kick it off a skyscraper.
Yeah, I'd be up for that as well (whilst at the same time acknowledging that for 99.99% of the audience over familiarity wouldn't be a problem and Primus flashbacks could allow for some gonzo insnane imagery). Hmm, no official fiction has ever done the "Merge the Quints and the Primus stories" fan fic thing has it? That would allow for the Epic Universe shattering history (and let's face it, Bay would be all over a villain who wants to destroy reality, it'd be the biggest explosion ever!) but at the same time giving bad guys more on a scale the heroes can interact with.

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Regarding him directing it's a case of "who else?". Paramount want to appeal to the millions of people who went to see the last four, not a few idiots who think knowing Christopher Nolan's name makes them a film expert. And for Bay it gives him more leverage for doing other work; it's basically the same thing Steven Soderbergh does.
Well, unless they're going to have him direct all of them this (ridiculous to my eyes, but you never know, they might pull it off) shared Transformers cinematic Universe is going to have to find fresh blood. And in terms of the main (? whatever they'll be called) film series, if Paramount want it to be a sustainable ongoing concern they'll have to bring in a new director sooner or later if only because Bay isn't immortal (though I suspect he'll ultimately get too expensive proportionally before that).

I can certainly see why Paramount would want more of the same, but the strength of the first Bay film was that it shook up the franchise up and brought it firmly into the Noughties. Someone doing the same for the rapidly approaching twenties wouldn't automatically be a bad thing.

Brendocon 2.0 2015-08-07 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by inflatable dalek (Post 751034)
Introduce Elita-1.

Is regrettably the only answer that was ever going to result in.

Cliffjumper 2015-08-08 09:34 PM

I'll believe a shared film universe when I see it, TBH. It's still just too expensive to do well IMO (hell, Bay needed a ton of money from China to make the last); sounds more like a contingency plan so if/when TF5 flops or Cullen dies or GM hike up the Camaro price they can bring out a fresh cast. Any spin-off would surely still be Earthbound and feature humans heavily for simple budgetary reasons, which would make them basically indistinguishable from the main films.

I'm really not sure there's a market for it, even - part of the reason for the box office of the four so far staying so high is that it's the only transforming robot series in town as a film every couple of years seems to satisfy everyone. The last thing any film studio wants to be doing right now is aping Marvel IMO; superhero films and cinematic universes are hurriedly reaching saturation point and in a couple of years there are going to start being some big reverses. Best that Transformers keeps to its' USP.

Firestrider57 2015-08-09 08:02 PM

Creators2
 
The only reason I am stating that we need to see the quints goes back all the way to 2007. This was when Frenzy was introduced as a gleaming, shiny little scrat of a robot. Fast, fluid moves made this guy interesting. Throw in ROTF and the Nemesis encounter. We know grotesque robots can be made with current CGI techniques. DOTM brought on tentacles!! Now for multiple or morphing faces!! The quints also could use their own backstory. In Beast Wars, the Vok was brought in as TF creators, but the Quints are much more believable than the Vok. Primus is credited with the creation of TF's from certain comics and later TV series, but the organic creating the nonorganic thing makes the most sense to me. We can't escape the "hand" we saw in the opening of AoE. It looked completely organic.
There is one other theory that seems to hold some history. The comic universe refers to the "first cause" in the TF universe as being Primacron, a diminuitive, omniscent that created three "uberbeings": Tornatron,Unicron and Primus. Tornatron was defeated by Grimlock, but the last two have remained to the present day. So, Quints? Primus? Unicron or Primacron? All are probable, but it might be the "powers that be ( pun intended)" to decide the identity of the TF creators.
P.S. The "creators" are known to be malevolent, at least according to Bay, so Primus is not really expected since he is a benevolent being.

Brendocon 2.0 2015-08-09 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Firestrider57 (Post 751105)
In Beast Wars, the Vok was brought in as TF creators

Been a while since I've seen Beast Wars, but I'm 95% certain that no.

Skyquake87 2015-08-10 07:34 PM

The Vok were doing their own thing. On screen, all we saw were that they were aliens whom were a bit shady and conducted experiments with life on a cosmic scale. The Beast-era Transfomers are the ancestors of the original Transformers and took the series took elements from the existing cartoon and comic mythos and married them together (and with just one line of dialogue too! "Primus help us all if that thing survived.") and added some innovations of their own (Transformers having proto-forms, Sparks and sketched in a back- drop of political intrigue).

I think there's been discussion with the show runners since and they've aluded to the Vok having a connection to the Swarm from Generation 2 or something.

Heh, fancy the creators in a Bay film being malevolent..! I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you! I am genuinely interested to see what they movie guys come up with. I'd be up for seeing some thing a bit fresh and wouldn't be adverse to Quints either.

inflatable dalek 2015-08-10 07:54 PM

I always felt that the "Vok are the Swarm" idea was just a creator going "Yeah, sure, why not?" in response to a convention question. One of the issues of the show is that it becomes very obvious towards the end that no one involved really had any idea what was going on with the aliens and were just making it up as they go along, them being cheerfully prepared to firebomb Earth at the end of season 1 really doesn't make sense in terms of their "Protect the timelines" attitude in their last episode.

Plus, they're clearly the Vorlons.

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I'll believe a shared film universe when I see it, TBH. It's still just too expensive to do well IMO (hell, Bay needed a ton of money from China to make the last); sounds more like a contingency plan so if/when TF5 flops or Cullen dies or GM hike up the Camaro price they can bring out a fresh cast. Any spin-off would surely still be Earthbound and feature humans heavily for simple budgetary reasons, which would make them basically indistinguishable from the main films.

I'm really not sure there's a market for it, even - part of the reason for the box office of the four so far staying so high is that it's the only transforming robot series in town as a film every couple of years seems to satisfy everyone. The last thing any film studio wants to be doing right now is aping Marvel IMO; superhero films and cinematic universes are hurriedly reaching saturation point and in a couple of years there are going to start being some big reverses. Best that Transformers keeps to its' USP.
Yeah, it's depressing how many people seem to have looked at how Marvel managed to do what they did and completely missed the point of how it worked.

Clay 2015-08-10 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliffjumper (Post 751089)
I'll believe a shared film universe when I see it, TBH. It's still just too expensive to do well IMO (hell, Bay needed a ton of money from China to make the last); sounds more like a contingency plan so if/when TF5 flops or Cullen dies or GM hike up the Camaro price they can bring out a fresh cast.

I dunno, I think that the success of TF4 already proved that the concept itself is enough to hold water: new human cast, (mostly) new robot cast, another version of their origin (was the cube, then the matrix, then the 'creators'), and it did just fine. I see the idea of a shared film canon as more of a way to have multiple projects in development simultaneously so that Paramount can have a TF brand tentpole every summer. I think that could wear thin very quickly, especially if the running times stay at 2 1/2 hours each.

Vehicon Mike 2015-10-01 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by praetorian (Post 744141)
IGN reporting that Michael Bay will not be directing the fifth installment:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/...-drama-instead

Oh yeah, I believe it's true! after what he did, I think he's not going to return for any of the other movies.

Dead Man Wade 2015-10-01 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vehicon Mike (Post 752920)
after what he did

Which was what, exactly? Besides turning out another successful installment in a film series that's made more money than God?

Brendocon 2.0 2016-01-04 10:12 PM

In news that's about as shocking as George RR Martin missing his deadline, Michael Bay is going to be doing Transformers 5: Rise of the Duocons.

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...ransformers-5/

Red Dave Prime 2016-01-04 10:50 PM

ah well. so much for that one. Still fingers crossed that Transformers 6: Bumblebees awfully big adventure turns out ok.

Just curious (as its that kinda thread) - if not Bay, than whom (realistically)? I might swing a bag of cash at Peter Berg, directed Battleship. I know its a ropey film but he handles the effects well, already worked with Hasbro and has some other better films under his belt (nothing great but I've a soft spot for Hancock and Very Bad Things was good too). Would also through a side bet at Jon Favreau. Iron Mans good, IM2 and Cowboys and Aliens are both ropey films but directed well enough (script issues in both). Also Elf!

Patapsco 2016-01-04 11:15 PM

well a decent script and story would do for starters. Could Christopher Nolan done anything with AoE aside from looking at the first hour and saying "nope, there's 45 minutes of filler here, it's gone"?

Red Dave Prime 2016-01-05 04:51 PM

I do wonder that - how much can bay affect the script? Would Spielberg still have to show the same clunky scenes, suffered the same 1d characterisation and the same ropey cube transformation effect? Id imagine so. But bay does have way too much slow mo/ spinny camera pans in his movie. Reckon you could knock 30 minutes of establishing shots out of that film. Lord of the rings is similar - every ****ing time we change location we have to set the scene and show the fellowship walking from a distance even though the biggest idiot will realise a change in scene.

Cliffjumper 2016-01-05 07:35 PM

Sadly I think a lot of it is Bay, TBH - something like Pain and Gain, where he had huge artistic control, still has a lot of the same problems. Thing is I'm not sure how much these things are problem for your average cinemagoer; there's a lot of feedback avaliable to studios now, who don't really listen to critics or even users on things like IMDB, but to the audience exit polls and the like.

Cinema has something of a captive audience and what all four TF films do manage is to finish pretty well, so I think a lot of people finish them blown away by Optimus shooting the **** out of whatever rather than still fuming about the human character who was big shit in the first ten minutes and then barely mentioned.

Plus from somewhere some ****ing idiot has decided that even summer action films have to be 2 1/2 hours long now, and that's an unnatural length for this sort of thing. This leads to the sort of stuff that 10, 20 years ago would be cut at the draft stage being left in. It's expected now that the first half-hour, hour of popcorn films will be slow and boring.

Also for Transformers, the money is not infinite (as said above, the fourth needed to bend to filming in Hong Kong to have a complete budget). Logically even something like the desert gathering in AoE costs a lot more and takes a lot more time (which is pretty crucial) than Iron Man zapping stuff. Which makes substantial human subplots and scenes with things like the prop cars a necessity, and the cube transformations were almost certainly the reason we had an army of clones rather than the same old Protoform skellingtons (transformations in general have largely receded in the films, with a few moneyshot ones and the bulk dealt with off-screen or from behind something).

To a certain extent I think Paramount are waiting for the bottom to fall out; they've made a lot of money on the franchise, much more than they expected to, so they're not going to up the budget much beyond inflation when each one might be the flop. At the same time four times now Bay's delivered them a film on time that's gone on to make a daft amount of money, and it's difficult to see why they'd want to change that if Bay's still willing.

Patapsco 2016-02-16 11:05 PM

5, 6 & 7 have release dates, Marky Mark is back for 5 and 6 will be a Bumblebee movie because of course it will be

Red Dave Prime 2016-02-17 10:58 AM

Curious will optimus be in 5. Marketing 101 would suggest he would have to be but maybe a break would be good. Also wondering if we will ever see rodinus - wise, cracking, strong, sort of jock type, fast car mode - seems perfect for the American market especially as a bot young kids can move to once they outgrow bumblebee.

Patapsco 2016-02-17 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dave Prime (Post 756330)
Curious will optimus be in 5. Marketing 101 would suggest he would have to be but maybe a break would be good. Also wondering if we will ever see rodinus - wise, cracking, strong, sort of jock type, fast car mode - seems perfect for the American market especially as a bot young kids can move to once they outgrow bumblebee.

the best thing for number 5 would be Last Stand Of The Wreckers but with Optimus instead of Aequitas and Marky Mark instead of Verity but that ain't going to happen

Patapsco 2016-03-07 06:41 PM

So TF5 is shooting in Detroit this summer and yours truly is going to Detroit this summer (again), so I'll sniff around and see what I can see

Tetsuro 2016-03-07 08:46 PM

They should just do a freakin' Beast Wars movie.

Patapsco 2016-03-07 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tetsuro (Post 756642)
They should just do a freakin' Beast Wars movie.

all things are possible as they're now going down the "shared universe" route

numbat 2016-03-08 09:48 AM

I guess the Kiss Players movie will be the R rated Transformers universe answer to Deadpool then...

Patapsco 2016-04-18 07:49 AM

So it looks like we're getting totally not Verity Carlo in the new movie. I wonder which small Transformer is her buddy though

Red Dave Prime 2016-04-18 10:38 AM

With any other director I wouldn't have to say this but please Mickey Bay, leave your perv camera at home for this one.

Still surprised we have never had a hot rod/ rodimus character as the humans best friend role in any of the movies

Patapsco 2016-04-18 01:18 PM

I'd give anything for a script as coherent as Dark of The Moon, and even that wasn't exceptional

inflatable dalek 2016-04-18 05:19 PM

Presumably the perving will be saved for the older female characters (is the daughter not coming back?). Stephen Merchant should be good value if that turns out to be true.

Patapsco 2016-04-18 05:39 PM

The IMDB page only lists Marky Mark, Not Verity and Peter Cullen as cast members, and NINE writers

numbat 2016-04-25 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Patapsco (Post 757783)
The IMDB page only lists ... NINE writers

You know what they say - more writers equals higher quality output. You know, like chefs and what-not.

Clay 2016-04-26 12:42 PM

I wonder if that's just symptomatic of the general idea for this movie coming from that writers' workshop thing, and everyone getting credit for the story germ while individuals have to actually write out a specific movie.

It's good work if you can get it.

Brendocon 2.0 2016-04-26 12:49 PM

Yeah if somebody writes out a story idea, then somebody else expands that into a script, then two more people are brought in to rewrite the script, then the director throws in some plot reworks and a lead actor comes in and insists on tweaking his dialogue... boom, they all get a writing credit.


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