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Nevermore 2008-12-31 02:16 PM

Revenge of the Fallen toy discussion (leaks and official info)
 
This is your new all-purpose thread for discussing the Revenge of the Fallen toys.

The following spoiler policy applies:

Offscreen (toy-only) characters are not not spoilers. This currently applies to the various Scout Class toys, redecos of toys from the first movie line as other G1-based characters (e.g. Starscream as other Seekers in G1-based decos) and redecos of toys from older lines (mostly store exclusives).

Toys for returning characters who survived the first part unambiguously (Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Ironhide, Starscream, Scorponok) are not spoilers as long as their alternate forms and robot modes are more or less identical to their appearances in the first movie (i.e. Bumblebee's slightly tweaked Camaro mode), regardless of whether they're new molds, remolds or repaints.

Toys for returning characters who were either implied having died in the first movie (Jazz, Megatron, Brawl, Frenzy, Blackout), or whose fate was left ambiguous (Barricade) are SPOILERS, especially if their new alternate forms and/or robot modes look different from their appearances in the first movie.

Toys for new characters that will make their debut in Revenge of the Fallen are also SPOILERS.

To sum it up, here's the current toyline roster as we know it thus far.

Checklist

Legends Class - Bumblebee (new mold, 2009 Camaro), Optimus Prime (new mold, still the same truck),
SPOILER! (select to read)
Jetfire (SR-71 Blackbird), Autobot Springer (V-22 Osprey).


Optimus Prime and Jetfire can combine. This is NOT a fan mode, altough the combined mode looks somewhat awkward due to the limitations of the Legends Class.

Scout Class - Rollbar (delivery truck), motorcycle (possibly "Knockout"), red car (possibly "Dead End" or "Detour"), fork lift (possibly "Scrapper" or "Dirt Boss", based on Scrapper drone from the video game to the first movie), boat.

Deluxe Class - Wreckage (repaint of Wreckage from the first movie's toyline), Bumblebee (remold of Concept Camaro Bumblebee from the first movie's toyline),
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Soundwave (new mold, possibly a "Preview" figure).


Voyager Class - Ramjet (repaint of Starscream from the first movie's toyline), Skywarp (repaint of Thundercracker/Target exclusive "G1" deco Starscream from the first movie's toyline), possibly both store exclusives.

Fast Action Battlers - Double Blade Optimus Prime (new mold), Pulse Blast Bumblebee (remold of Fast Action Battlers Plasma Punch Bumblebee from the first movie's toyline),
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Cannon Blast Megatron (new mold, tank), Jolt (new mold, Chevrolet Volt).


Store exclusives - Target exclusive Superion giftset (Silverbolt, Air Raid, Fireflight, Skydive & Airazor; repaint of Enegron Superion Maximus, released in Australia and Southeast Asia in Universe packaging)

Nevermore 2008-12-31 02:19 PM

And here's the first news for this thread:

Gallery of Skywarp and Ramjet.
http://www.tf08.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=168

Rattrap's tail 2008-12-31 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevermore (Post 639257)
And here's the first news for this thread:

Gallery of Skywarp and Ramjet.
http://www.tf08.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=168

Is it confirmed that Warpy and Jetty are toys from ROTF??? Or are they just an afterthought to sell more toys????

Nevermore 2008-12-31 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattrap's tail (Post 639285)
Is it confirmed that Warpy and Jetty are toys from ROTF??? Or are they just an afterthought to sell more toys????

The general guess is that they're toy-only characters, and at least one of the toys is probably some sort of exclusive. There's no way those two will appear in the movie in Starscream-looking bodies in those colors. Hence, I didn't mark them as spoilers.

Slayer-Fan123 2008-12-31 09:45 PM

I am looking foward to Scrapper, along with the other scouts.

Cliffjumper 2008-12-31 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattrap's tail (Post 639285)
Is it confirmed that Warpy and Jetty are toys from ROTF??? Or are they just an afterthought to sell more toys????

They're part of the ROTF line, just as Swindle or Stockade were part of the Movie line.

And whether they're non-film recolours or the lead characters, it's all to sell more toys. It's about 24 years too late to start fussing about that, there have been lazy non-media cash-in characters since, oooh, the Jumpstarters* at least (depending on whether you count the mailaways or not). I guess it's easier to piss and bitch about pointless stuff than it is to think, though.



* = They weren't in the UK comic until about a year or so later, you might as well count Dreamwave.

poyguimogul 2009-01-01 06:02 AM

wreckage recolor is kinda cool.. but it may not persuade me to get it.
The motorcycle seems to be a decent toy, but the head, and colors are kinda ugly. Probably get it.
Wish Rollbar was.. Ironhide.. Has his r.i.d. steer-head is on it (kinda). and his repaint movie toy was blue.. still has visor.. Looks cool IMO I want it.
The fork lift is neat, probably get that. Dirt Boss is a ghey name... always has been...WHICH reminds me.. His name in Japan (from armada, and all his re-releases that werent color/name changed) isn't Dirt Boss its Drift.. So IDW.. Drift isn't new or exclusive or toyless... If this toy was scrapper, I wouldn't mind.
Kinda not digging that disgusting dead-end. gonna pass on it.
When they made the Thundercracker, and Starscream w/ new heads ,they looked good, and Ramjet looks decent,as does Skywarp, but..
As much as I like to get jet sets, movie jets are just to ugly for me to look at or buy.

Blackjack 2009-01-01 06:04 AM

Too bad they didn't bother of making a new head sculpt for Ramjet...

Massively liking Detour/Dead End, as well as Scrapper. Rollbar looks nice as well.

poyguimogul 2009-01-01 06:36 AM

Covers spoiler mentions from initial post.
 
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Springer, man ****.. I almost cried.. that toy is the SUX..Ugly as sin
Soundwave Is pretty decent looking, one of the best heads they have EVER had, next to wreckage..Meantime,Midnighter,Photon,and Spy Shot from 1st movie real gears, are all total win toys..in terms of decent heads..
Jetfire (legends) is kinda interesting, but the arms are so thin and lame, and rumor has it hes the gimpy old robot, which explains the hunched over look, and (as someone pointed out) he has what appears to be a beard. I thought it was fangs, and he was like a monster-bot thing.. i guess we see. And yeah, as much as I applaude them engineering an energon-ish combination for legends prime / jetfire.. I HOPE,, and Pray.. its a little more intricate and badass looking in the movie...but what am I saying I guess it does have sorta that 80s giant robot cheese jet pack goin on..
w/e to tank megatron.
Jolt is tiny, his head.. isnt bad after seeing better pics. Pretty menacing.. fer an autobot? the size is kinda cute in a activator bumblebee sorta way..

Nevermore 2009-01-01 10:53 AM

Scout Class Knock Out in packaging, name confirmed:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ckaging_01.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ckaging_02.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...ckaging_03.jpg

Rattrap's tail 2009-01-01 02:49 PM

[QUOTE=Cliffjumper;639300]They're part of the ROTF line, just as Swindle or Stockade were part of the Movie line.
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Thanks, that was the only thing I wanted to know about them. I've got something as well. Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZy57S-d4ec

EDIT: Knockdown is such... CUTE. I think I gonna like his transformation scheme.

EDIT2: Sorry I mean Knock Out. Not that shitty minicon.

Nevermore 2009-01-01 05:18 PM

Instructions for the red Scout car have surfaced. His name is Dead End.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...uctions_01.jpg

Rattrap's tail 2009-01-01 09:42 PM

Dead End... Mwah souns a lot better then Detour if you ask me.

S_Windell 2009-01-01 10:25 PM

What's in a name?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by poyguimogul (Post 639338)
The fork lift is neat, probably get that. Dirt Boss is a ghey name...

If this toy was scrapper, I wouldn't mind.

:) The solution is simple...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackjack (Post 639339)

Massively liking Detour/Dead End, as well as Scrapper. Rollbar looks nice as well.

Just ignore what Hasbro calls 'em!

If I pick up that forklift, I'm calling it Scrapper. (I completed my Robot Heroes Insecticons the other day, :cheers:, and I certainly don't let a few tiny pieces of cardboard tell me who they are.)

I like the original Dead End. The Alternator Dead End is one of my favorite Transformers ever and this new scout named after him is neat enough, I'll probably get it on a whim. But Unicron's minicon guy is easily disowned.

Rattrap's tail 2009-01-02 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S_Windell (Post 639400)
:) The solution is simple...



Just ignore what Hasbro calls 'em!

If I pick up that forklift, I'm calling it Scrapper. (I completed my Robot Heroes Insecticons the other day, :cheers:, and I certainly don't let a few tiny pieces of cardboard tell me who they are.)

I like the original Dead End. The Alternator Dead End is one of my favorite Transformers ever and this new scout named after him is neat enough, I'll probably get it on a whim. But Unicron's minicon guy is easily disowned.


This dude is damn right. Just don't care what Hasbro names it. If I would name my Armada Blurr Hotspotsch I would have already done that. Maybe I should do it because like many others from Armada, Blurr is a shame for his namesake. Now we should get back on track and not talking to much about it.

Treadshot A1 2009-01-02 03:23 AM

Dead end looks pretty cool. Much better than Detour.

I can't wait for scrapper.

So, is there any chance of a gestalt?

borg72 2009-01-02 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treadshot A1 (Post 639416)
Dead end looks pretty cool. Much better than Detour.

I can't wait for scrapper.

So, is there any chance of a gestalt?

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not mentioned above was the rumoured-only constructicons, who will (allegedly) have individual non-combining-but-transforming toys, as well as non-transforming-but-combining toys.

i beleive this was unnofficial scuttlebut from toy reps who had seen or heard of them. no actual source was ever given, however. think it was on tfw2005.

Nevermore 2009-01-02 09:56 AM

First look at a partial stock photo of a new Optimus Prime toy, revealing the name of the Revenge of the Fallen toyline's main gimmick to be "Mech Alive".
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transf...ech-alive.html

Rattrap's tail 2009-01-02 10:22 AM

Prime looks a bit dramatic. Nice that HASTAK has decided to give Automorph a new name. I mean, look wat under Mech Alive is described...

Detective Barricade 2009-01-02 05:02 PM

So long as it works...

numbat 2009-01-02 06:57 PM

I thought the Revenge of the Fallen toy line gimmick was to be visible turning gears etc. sort of within the toy while transforming (like in the CGI robots)? Or have I missed some change of info along the way?

Mech Alive would seem a better name for that, than as a new name for Automorph.

Would need to see more of the Prime toy to formulate any real opinions, but the head sculpt at least looks nice.

:up:

RID Scourge 2009-01-02 07:00 PM

Dead End and Knockout look to be my favorites from what we've seen. I'll pass on the other scouts, while reserving judgment on the boat until I see it in color (oddly enough the robot mode makes me think autobot, but that might just be the grey. It could possibly look a lot different in decepticon colors).

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Soundwave looks all right. Robot mode is cool (reminds me of Tigerhawk a bit), but I'm not sure what his alt mode is.


FAB Megs looks cool, and provides us with a recognizable cybertron alt mode. The rest of the FABs I can take or leave.

Pass on the repaints and remolds. Skywarp looks cool, but I have the mold twice over.

Summerhayes 2009-01-02 07:39 PM

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just how "rumoured" are the constructicons? Every publication that's written about ROTF has mentioned the Constructicons but from the way people are talking, they sound like a "maybe."

And if they don't combine AND transform: epic fail!

Nevermore 2009-01-02 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by numbat (Post 639450)
I thought the Revenge of the Fallen toy line gimmick was to be visible turning gears etc. sort of within the toy while transforming (like in the CGI robots)? Or have I missed some change of info along the way?

That would be what "Mech Alive" stands for, methinks.

numbat 2009-01-02 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevermore (Post 639462)
That would be what "Mech Alive" stands for, methinks.

That's what I thought.

;)

Catalyst Dragon 2009-01-03 01:36 AM

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I'd agree that if the constructicons don't combine that it would be a big dissapointment. I also sorta feel that having a combiner may be too big a step to take on a second enstallment. But it sure would be breathtaking.

S_Windell 2009-01-03 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catalyst Dragon (Post 639477)
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I'd agree that if the constructicons don't combine that it would be a big dissapointment. I also sorta feel that having a combiner may be too big a step to take on a second enstallment. But it sure would be breathtaking.


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No, what I've read rumoured is that the Constructicons do combine in the movie but the toys will be relegated to a) a set of vehicles which combine but no individual bot modes and b)a set with individual bot modes but no combination. (Again, allegedly-rumour-milled stuff, and I could be missing something since this came across to me as "yawn, no surprises here.") One or the other, toy-wise, which would be incredibly lame and lazy on Hasbro's part.

I hate to gripe, especially for something not even past the speculation stage, but I'm a bit tired of the "limits in engineering" or whatnot excuses. Especially for things that were obviously possible over twenty-five years ago...

Treadshot A1 2009-01-03 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S_Windell (Post 639500)
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Especially for things that were obviously possible over twenty-five years ago...

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Possible maybe. But was it actually any good articulation wise 25 years ago? And look at the complaint about the energon gestalts. two mold repainted each, no hands, no feet, etc, etc. Maybe standards have been set higher.

Though this is not to say i don't care if it doesn't combine or anything; rater, i'd love a combiner, just pointing out a few things. :)

secretcode 2009-01-03 05:38 PM

Repaint of Movie Evac into Whirl
http://www.actoys.net/bbs/read.php?tid=325114

RID Scourge 2009-01-03 05:44 PM

Ooh! That looks nice. Makes me glad I never got around to buying Evac. :up:

secretcode 2009-01-03 06:00 PM

The Rest of Movie Prime, via 4chan.
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...1005250657.jpg


Also, some possible cementation of Whirl's Identity:
N073A0 flipped around? Ovelon, which was the toyline the Whirl mold was originally in.

Clay 2009-01-03 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secretcode (Post 639564)
The Rest of Movie Prime, via 4chan.
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...1005250657.jpg

Well now that just looks spiffy. They got the head right on the first (third?) try!

Cliffjumper 2009-01-03 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secretcode (Post 639564)
N073A0 flipped around? Ovelon, which was the toyline the Whirl mold was originally in.

The toy the Whirl mould was originally. The line was Dorvack.

numbat 2009-01-03 07:30 PM

That does look nice.

However, not nice enough to warrant another purchase of a large movie-styled Prime. Although, I really liked what they've done with the wheels this time round!

borg72 2009-01-03 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secretcode (Post 639564)
The Rest of Movie Prime, via 4chan.
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...1005250657.jpg


Also, some possible cementation of Whirl's Identity:
N073A0 flipped around? Ovelon, which was the toyline the Whirl mold was originally in.

such as it could be, this seems to be significantly more movie-accurate (at least to the first one, obv). in particular i'm liking the arm detail.

begs two questions:

1. why not first time round? has there been some massive leap in toytech no-one has mentioned? animated has been very innovative, but i can't see it having had such a contribution to design and engineering that this toy wasn't feasible until now... ?

2. who actually designed this, and 2b). does he/she want my babies?

secretcode 2009-01-04 12:01 AM

Another (SEVERELY Mistransformed) shot of the
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Jetfire/Optimus Prime combination of the Legends toy.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transf...201249-jp.html

(Credit goes to Nevermore for finding this)

It... are they making out?

Treadshot A1 2009-01-04 12:26 AM

Finally a decent prime... took long enough.

Whirl looks good...but not enough to warrant a third figure in that mould.

poyguimogul 2009-01-04 01:33 AM

Louise Ovelon piloted Gazzette(a dark blue whirl) in Dorvack. So its a play on the pilot-girls last name.

Mugen Musato, he piloted Calibur (roadbuster) and was the main charecter.

Pierre Boneparte piloted the Talcus. HE DIES! and they cry.. Its a weak death.. Undubbed / Unsubbed it seems like hes killed by friendly fire.

Dumb Bastards.. killing their friend...

Its decent show. Better animation , it some aspects then G1. The transformation animation for 2 of 3 of the main 'bots (gazette and calibur) is pretty crisp, and comes off kinda epic, in a slow 80s semi-stock footage kinda way. *Oh TF ROTF TOYS , Yeah! Im on topic. Awesome.. Damn whirl pic page isnt loading on my comp... *weeps*

poyguimogul 2009-01-04 01:54 AM

Whirl loaded, Pretty nice looking.

I didn't really enjoy the original Black-Out.. The Lawson one wasn't much better.

Evac, the recolor, was awesome. Better then the Cybertron Ver.

This is nice to in the same vein, but Not better. Not sure if I would buy it as I already have a EVAC in the box, just too cool to open. I'd maybe get Whirl to act as a sacrifical vers. to preserve EVAC.. but I don't know.. It all comes down to how I respond to its visual stimuli when I see it on the shelf. Like the Dorvack nod tho. Hasbro / Takara has been getting pretty good about the fan service.

S_Windell 2009-01-04 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treadshot A1 (Post 639535)
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Possible maybe. But was it actually any good articulation wise 25 years ago? And look at the complaint about the energon gestalts. two mold repainted each, no hands, no feet, etc, etc. Maybe standards have been set higher.

Though this is not to say i don't care if it doesn't combine or anything; rater, i'd love a combiner, just pointing out a few things. :)

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Yes, the old school ones were bricks, but I don't see any reason why articulation can't be introduced into combiners. We've seen it happen. (The Energon ones are good examples. And, to nitpick, the silly prongs that pass as hands and feet are legit complaints, imho. (The box are for the Universe repaint of Bruticus doesn't help.) Though if movie-verse Devastator has these it wouldn't be so ridiculous, going by movie aesthetics.

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as a whiner. Honestly, Devastator is the ROTF character I'm looking most forward to seeing. After that I'll decide on whether or not to get the toy. If he looks good, awesome! If he doesn't, money saved! Win either way. ;)


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