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Nevermore 2008-09-15 09:32 AM

Sam's Club exclusive Universe Deluxe five-pack - OUT
 
We've seen a more G1-inspired redeco of Armada Super-Con Optimus Prime (or, rather, of the Cybertron variant with a Cyber Key replacing the Mini-Con)...
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...optimus_01.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...optimus_02.jpg

(original thread)

And we've seen an entry in Hasbro's website checklist for a Sam's Club exclusive Universe Battle Pack that includes five Deluxe toys.
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/d...tors/Checklist

(original thread)

Now we know what the pack contains... the Optimus Prime redeco plus unchanged "repackages" of the Cybertron Deluxe toys Buzzaw (Armada Cyclonus remold), Blurr (Armada Blurr remold), Runamuck (Armada Side Swipe remold) and Longrack (Armada Hoist remold). Name for the pack is "Battle for the Cyber Planet Keys".
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-...e-pack-165791/

TFW2005 is currently down, the above link should hopefully work again when the site goes back up.

EDIT: Mirrored image. http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1...uxeszs6.th.jpg

Blackjack 2008-09-15 11:38 AM

Oh well, helps those who missed the molds anyway...

RID Scourge 2008-09-15 01:19 PM

I still hope they eventually do a Runamok.

ganon578 2008-09-15 01:24 PM

I like Blurr and Runamuck in this pack, but I don't need another Prime (even though this one looks pretty good), and I also have no desire to have Longrack and Buzzsaw. They should just sell these guys individually. On the other hand, if the price point is good, it would be worth picking them up.

Nevermore 2008-09-15 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ganon578 (Post 626210)
I like Blurr and Runamuck in this pack, but I don't need another Prime (even though this one looks pretty good), and I also have no desire to have Longrack and Buzzsaw. They should just sell these guys individually. On the other hand, if the price point is good, it would be worth picking them up.

Well, they already DID sell those guys (sans this specific Prime deco) individually.

ganon578 2008-09-15 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevermore (Post 626211)
Well, they already DID sell those guys (sans this specific Prime deco) individually.

Yeah, I know, I just missed out on the Cybertron line. There's always auction sites, but I'd just rather buy them from a store. But then again, it all comes back to how much I could get for Blurr and Runamuck at auction, or how much that pack is.

RID Scourge 2008-09-15 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ganon578 (Post 626210)
and I also have no desire to have Longrack and Buzzsaw.

Ah. Those were my favorite two figures from the Armada remolds. Then Blurr.

Jaynz 2008-09-15 05:31 PM

Not a terribly exciting set, unless, of course, you missed out on the 'special' quartet the first time out. Blurr is spot-on perfect for 'Classics' Blurr as well.

Universe is already getting a bit of an 'Optimus overload' now, though.

ganon578 2008-09-15 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RID Scourge (Post 626223)
Ah. Those were my favorite two figures from the Armada remolds. Then Blurr.

It'll probably come down to a judgment call when I see them. Longrack looks OK, but I'm not quite sure about Buzzsaw's color. Also in a Classics sense, both don't really have any relation to G1, which is what I'm after. Unless they're re-names of other TFs from G1.

Jaynz 2008-09-15 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ganon578 (Post 626251)
It'll probably come down to a judgment call when I see them. Longrack looks OK, but I'm not quite sure about Buzzsaw's color. Also in a Classics sense, both don't really have any relation to G1, which is what I'm after. Unless they're re-names of other TFs from G1.

Longrack is "BW Neo" Longrack if he was in the Armada-verse. Buzzsaw's a little weirder because he's "BW" Buzzsaw in the Armada-verse, but BW Buzzsaw was supposed to be.. the original Buzzsaw in a new form. So, it's kinda G1 if you stretch it to fit.

cooldeal99 2008-09-15 10:23 PM

i can't exactly tell from those pics but how big are the figures gonna be?i could use all of those for my collection.thanks for any help

another tf fan 2008-09-16 12:55 AM

Already got Buzzsaw and Blurr, and the Cybertron Deluxe Prime... so I won't be hunting for this item, but the Prime ReDeco is pretty nice.

ganon578 2008-09-16 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TFVanguard (Post 626269)
Longrack is "BW Neo" Longrack if he was in the Armada-verse. Buzzsaw's a little weirder because he's "BW" Buzzsaw in the Armada-verse, but BW Buzzsaw was supposed to be.. the original Buzzsaw in a new form. So, it's kinda G1 if you stretch it to fit.

Interesting. Thanks for the info! Well, if I do decide to pick it up, I can always just think that they're G1. I missed all the BW stuff, and when I look back at the photos here and on other sites, I'm not really interested in any BW stuff. But it does sort of fit into the whole continuity.

Nevermore 2008-09-16 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cooldeal99 (Post 626270)
i can't exactly tell from those pics but how big are the figures gonna be?i could use all of those for my collection.thanks for any help

They're all Deluxe-sized.

Halfshell 2008-09-16 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TFVanguard (Post 626269)
but BW Buzzsaw was supposed to be.. the original Buzzsaw in a new form.

:citation:

BM Buzzsaw is arguably the same character as BW Buzz Saw. But I'm aware of absolutely nothing to suggest that Buzz Saw was a reincarnation of the cassette. Aside from a similar name, of course, and nobody claims BW Scorponok to be the same character as the Headmaster.

Jaynz 2008-09-16 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfshell (Post 626351)
:citation:

BM Buzzsaw is arguably the same character as BW Buzz Saw. But I'm aware of absolutely nothing to suggest that Buzz Saw was a reincarnation of the cassette. Aside from a similar name, of course, and nobody claims BW Scorponok to be the same character as the Headmaster.

This was bandied about for a long, long time, and was finally confirmed at BotCon 1997 by... the old guy who designed the toys (I apologize, I've long since forgotten his name). Keep in mind that a LOT of the first couple of waves of Beast Wars toys were supposed to be 'Beast' forms of G1 characters, and sometimes this was retained, though it was largely dropped as the show was produced.

On the other hand, Buzzsaw doesn't actually appear in any fiction for Beast Wars, and the tech spec, though hinting at his origins, don't make it absolutely clear. That's why I said it was stretching it.

Halfshell 2008-09-16 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TFVanguard (Post 626358)
This was bandied about for a long, long time, and was finally confirmed at BotCon 1997 by... the old guy who designed the toys (I apologize, I've long since forgotten his name).

Aaaah. Well that explains it. Some bloke you conveniently can't remember the name of said so ten years ago. I believe you now. Funny how that's never come up before, especially on the Wiki that's controlled by people who take great joy in oblique references to decade-old conventions.

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Keep in mind that a LOT of the first couple of waves of Beast Wars toys were supposed to be 'Beast' forms of G1 characters, and sometimes this was retained, though it was largely dropped as the show was produced.
Yes. They may have initially been intended to, but that doesn't mean there's any evidence whatsoever to support your claim that he is. Pseudo-canon only works when you can back it up, and there's nothing to contradict it.

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On the other hand, Buzzsaw doesn't actually appear in any fiction for Beast Wars
Yes he does. He's in The Gathering, he's in The Ascending, he's also in one of those wacky BotCon script reading thingers (where he's apparently Obsidian, just to confuse things further).

Or do you want to sneak in and add a half-hearted "I meant any fiction at the original time of release" qualifier? Go on, I'm feeling benevolant. I'll let you if you want?

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and the tech spec, though hinting at his origins, don't make it absolutely clear.
http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/BuzzSaw/buzzsaw.htm
"Hunts enemy Maximals from altitudes of 20,000 feet. Uses infrared scanning sensors wired within its eyes to detect movement below, then zeros in and launches powerful air-to-ground "sting" missiles to induce temporary paralysis. Buzz Saw can exit Earth's atmosphere at any time, but prefers hunting land-based enemies where it has the advantage of flight. Known to gang up on victims with its evil partner, the wicked Waspinator."

Whereabout does that hint at his origin, then? I'm clearly missing something.

And, just for reference, the tech spec of the original cassette Buzz Saw:
http://tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Buzzsaw/buzzsaw.htm
"Civil and sophisticated yet very cruel and destructive. Approaches his lethal tasks like a fine artist. Each deadly mission is like working on a new masterpiece. Can pinpoint and photograph a thumbtack from 20 miles away. Flies at 250mph. Carries twin mortar cannons. Diamond-hard, micro-serrated beak can carve up almost any opponent. Due to large ego, will often sulk rather than proceed if his plans go astray."

Very little common ground, other than the whole "they're both fliers" motif. I guess that means Shuttler from Car Robots is a reincarnated Buzzsaw too?

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That's why I said it was stretching it.
No, you said that the Sam's Club Buzz Saw being the G1 character was stretching it. As part of your rationale for that, you claimed that "BW Buzzsaw was supposed to be.. the original Buzzsaw in a new form".

When pressed for evidence, you started backpedalling and Making Stuff Up.

And before anybody chimes in, the Botcon Timelines Buzzsaw was indeed a reincarnation of the G1 character, but being an orange Divebomb redeco who was promptly killed, can easily be ruled out as in any way relevant to the Universe homage currently on the table.

Oh, and this is his IDW Sourcebook bio -- courtesy of a deep background source -- just to put all the evidence forward:

"Shrouded in mystery, this Predacon is often spoken of in hushed whispers by friends and foes alike. Few ever see him in the skies, but the value of the intelligence he acquires through his aerial surveillance missions cannot be underestimated. When he attacks from high, few ever see his missiles until it is too late. However, the truth is that Buzz Saw is a complete coward. He stays at high altitudes wholly to avoid direct contact with the enemy. In those rare instances where he appears on the battleground, it is often behind dozens of other Predacon warriors."

secretcode 2008-09-16 08:41 PM

Well then. Can't argue with... PROOF.

Jaynz 2008-09-16 08:49 PM

I am once again amazed at the fairness and generally adult-manner in which some moderators handle themselves. It's no wonder that TFArchive enjoys the rich and expansive growth that it has.

Aside from that, I only remember that it was the 'guy who made Magnaboss and was sent by Hasbro'. I was extremely busy at that particular convention, and only remember the question because it was something that Ben Yee, Bob Forward, and I discussed at the possibility of G1 characters showing up in Beast Wars season II.

And, no, I didn't considered either the Gathering or Ascending in that statement, since it had no relevance to the original intent of the character. That, and, frankly, both comics sucked anyway.

But, still, by all means, be a complete prat over something this minor. It's really worth the Internet Hatred that Transformers fans are known for.

cooldeal99 2008-09-16 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevermore (Post 626319)
They're all Deluxe-sized.

thats what i was thinking but wanted to make sure.thanks alot

secretcode 2008-09-16 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TFVanguard (Post 626422)
But, still, by all means, be a complete prat over something this minor. It's really worth the Internet Hatred that Transformers fans are known for.

Considering you are a Transformer fan, aren't you yourself contributing to the hatred?

Jaynz 2008-09-16 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by secretcode (Post 626426)
Considering you are a Transformer fan, aren't you yourself contributing to the hatred?

I'm not contributing to the hatred by being a Transformers fan.. I've contributed to it by being an asshole. But at least I can admit that much. :)

Cliffjumper 2008-09-17 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TFVanguard (Post 626422)
I am once again amazed at the fairness and generally adult-manner in which some moderators handle themselves. It's no wonder that TFArchive enjoys the rich and expansive growth that it has.
...
But, still, by all means, be a complete prat over something this minor. It's really worth the Internet Hatred that Transformers fans are known for.

You said something, you got called on it. Get over it and stop trying to blame the world at large for everything. If it's so terrible here, there's an easy option open to you, after all.

inflatable dalek 2008-09-17 06:20 AM

Yes, I have to say I don't bother posting at places I consider to be full of knobs. Seems the simple solution.

Does the way the toys are laid out in the box look a bit odd to anyone else?

Treadshot A1 2008-09-17 07:36 AM

Yeah. Prime looks like some weird Lugnut-former, being so short. Blurr and Runamuck are fine, but Longrack and Buzzsaw...WTF?

ganon578 2008-09-17 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Treadshot A1 (Post 626476)
Yeah. Prime looks like some weird Lugnut-former, being so short. Blurr and Runamuck are fine, but Longrack and Buzzsaw...WTF?

Yeah, Prime looks kind of squatty in the photo. And I think it's funny (as someone stated earlier) that Blurr and Runamuck are having a slap fight.

Jaynz 2008-09-17 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ganon578 (Post 626487)
Yeah, Prime looks kind of squatty in the photo. And I think it's funny (as someone stated earlier) that Blurr and Runamuck are having a slap fight.

Yeah, whoever designed the packaging for this set really didn't seem to care all too much about the presentation. It's busy, and they seemed to go out of their way to put the toys in the worst ways possible. This was probably a rush-deal, though, which makes me wonder if - other than prime - there really were a lot of the 'homage' figures left over from Cybertron.

And, as for the site... I don't consider TFArchive to be "full of knobs", it's just that there are a few, and they happen to be staff members. :P It's not that being wrong is a problem, and I was wrong about the tech-specs (I'm old, dammit), it's the pretty clear riding in order to push me to quit.

This, of course, since I am old and cranky, has the end result of making sure I stay just that little bit longer.. each time. :P

Cliffjumper 2008-09-17 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TFVanguard (Post 626510)
it's the pretty clear riding in order to push me to quit.

Methinks you flatter youself. You made an inaccurate comment, this then got countered with sources, what with it being inaccurate and all. You then insulted the person who corrected you, it would seem largely because they corrected you.

Incidentally, someone being staff doesn't mean they can't correct you when you make an inaccurate comment, and claiming some sort of staff oppression just makes you look like a bit of a fool.

ganon578 2008-09-17 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliffjumper (Post 626513)
Methinks you flatter youself. You made an inaccurate comment, this then got countered with sources, what with it being inaccurate and all. You then insulted the person who corrected you, it would seem largely because they corrected you.

Incidentally, someone being staff doesn't mean they can't correct you when you make an inaccurate comment, and claiming some sort of staff oppression just makes you look like a bit of a fool.

Can we just keep this thread on topic? I asked for info, someone gave info, maybe wrong, maybe not, but it's all corrected now. Either way, this thread is about the pack, not about staff or others being right or not, and it doesn't have to turn into a pissing match.

On the packaging note, as quickly as this thing looks like it's slapped together, you also have to remember that someone gets paid to design this packaging, and most likely has a degree in packaging engineering. I need this job. That way I could continually pack things goofy and retain my career.

Cliffjumper 2008-09-17 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ganon578 (Post 626516)
Can we just keep this thread on topic? I asked for info, someone gave info, maybe wrong, maybe not, but it's all corrected now. Either way, this thread is about the pack, not about staff or others being right or not, and it doesn't have to turn into a pissing match.

I'm addressing points that have been bought up. Things need to be kept straight, and people can't just be left to make up whatever they like and go uncorrected.

Jaynz 2008-09-17 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ganon578 (Post 626516)
Can we just keep this thread on topic? I asked for info, someone gave info, maybe wrong, maybe not, but it's all corrected now. Either way, this thread is about the pack, not about staff or others being right or not, and it doesn't have to turn into a pissing match.

I admit, I blurred Lazerbeak's bio... It's been a bit. At any rate, both Longrack and Buzzsaw were meant to be "Beast Era" homages while Runamuck and Blurr were meant to be "Generation One" homages.

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On the packaging note, as quickly as this thing looks like it's slapped together, you also have to remember that someone gets paid to design this packaging, and most likely has a degree in packaging engineering. I need this job. That way I could continually pack things goofy and retain my career.
What's sad is that to get the job we're talking about here, you honestly do have to have a degree in graphics and design of some sort.

ganon578 2008-09-17 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliffjumper (Post 626518)
I'm addressing points that have been bought up. Things need to be kept straight, and people can't just be left to make up whatever they like and go uncorrected.

That's fine, and it's done. NOW can we stay on topic?

Cliffjumper 2008-09-17 02:51 PM

Yup.

For my part... no interest in buying the set, TBH. Generally unattractive moulds in poor colour schemes - Supercon Prime is okay, but it isn't like his original deco was miles off anyway.

Jaynz 2008-09-17 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliffjumper (Post 626521)
For my part... no interest in buying the set, TBH. Generally unattractive moulds in poor colour schemes - Supercon Prime is okay, but it isn't like his original deco was miles off anyway.

Well, it's still an opportunity to get "Classics" Blurr, which is a decent-looking homage if not exactly the best toy out there. But, really, it's hard to imagine anyone wanting Armada Prime that doesn't already have at least ONE version. The other three figures.. eh... Rumamuck isn't the 'same' without his partner. Buzzsaw is effectively a non-entity.. and few people in the States or Canada would even know who Longrack even was.

Granted, I suppose if it had been a set of more 'in demand' characters and molds, everyone would be bitching about that too.

ganon578 2008-09-17 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliffjumper (Post 626521)
Yup.

For my part... no interest in buying the set, TBH. Generally unattractive moulds in poor colour schemes - Supercon Prime is okay, but it isn't like his original deco was miles off anyway.

As I keep looking at this set, my want for it declines. I actually think Blurr is the only one worthwhile. I originally wanted Runamuck in there too (I used to have his G1 version), but he looks quite clunky to me. And the more I look at Buzzsaw, the more his colors are borderline horrid. Is this set only going to be listed as "Universe"? Or will it also be listed under "Classics Series" as the other Universe releases have so far?

Jaynz 2008-09-17 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ganon578 (Post 626528)
As I keep looking at this set, my want for it declines. I actually think Blurr is the only one worthwhile. I originally wanted Runamuck in there too (I used to have his G1 version), but he looks quite clunky to me. And the more I look at Buzzsaw, the more his colors are borderline horrid. Is this set only going to be listed as "Universe"? Or will it also be listed under "Classics Series" as the other Universe releases have so far?

You know, I was looking for the "Series" tag myself, and didn't see it. It should be squarely pegged as "Cybertron Series", like the Big Lots Legends were... but, who knows anymore.

And, yes, the Side Swipe / Oil Slick / Treadbolt / Runamuck mold is god-awful. I never understood why we got so many different figures of that toy, to be honest. (Runamuck remolds the head, and swaps the minicon for a Cyberkey, but, still...)

RID Scourge 2008-09-17 04:16 PM

Yeah. It's an awful mold, but I feel an unusual optimism about it, since looks like an improvement over the original*. That and I do think the purple repaints were a vast improvement over Armada Sideways (aka the biggest dink in transformers). I do hope they eventually repaint the mold in white just to have an update of the Beavis and Butthead of transformers.

Blurr is an awesome mold, and I definitely tracked him down when they remolded him for Cybertron. Echo@his fitting into classics perfectly.

I really like the Hoist mold, and (while I don't know shart about the Japanese BW characters) the remolded head looks pretty good, plus they fixed the minicon gimmick that wasn't (the shovel arm had to be manually lock locked on the Armada figure every time you wanted to make the minicon useful. with the planet key they moved the locking mechanism so the key actually does something).

Buzzsaw is probably the coolest incarnation of the mold. Headsculpt is an improvement over Cyclonus and they managed to give him a front that hides the tank gimmick, but still allows it to be functional.

Supercon Prime has always been one of the better Prime molds. I've got the Armada release, Nemesis Prime and Ultra Magnus.

All in all, I'd say that if you don't have any of the molds it's worth getting.

*Having only pictures to compare him to my guess is that the G1 version is about as articulate as a Throttlebot (much love to them (I made a point to grab the 4 I didn't all ready have (got Chase as a kid and my brother gave me the blue one when he gave me his toys)), but they really have no articulation), and the Cybertron version moves his arms.

Nevermore 2008-09-17 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TFVanguard (Post 626529)
You know, I was looking for the "Series" tag myself, and didn't see it. It should be squarely pegged as "Cybertron Series", like the Big Lots Legends were... but, who knows anymore.

You mean Prime, Soundwave, Hot Shot and Leo Prime?

Who came in 2007 Classics-esque packaging and were sold as "Cybertron Collection"?

Daltimus Prime 2008-09-17 06:16 PM

It`s not like classics 1 didn't give us beast wars. Remember LOC Leo Prime? That was Lio Convoy in Classic form. So these could be the G1/BW versions of these characters. Also, the "Dawn of Future`s Past" BotCon toys included Cyber Keys done up like the golden disks. Same could probably be said for the Cyb OP/Crumplezone 2-pack. Call Cyb Prime G1 Prime, the find a random green generic from G1 (like one of the extra 2 constructions from "Five Faces of Darkness" or the green Shockwave`s) and call it Crumplezone (Kinda like what they did with Acid Storm).

Jaynz 2008-09-17 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevermore (Post 626550)
You mean Prime, Soundwave, Hot Shot and Leo Prime?

Who came in 2007 Classics-esque packaging and were sold as "Cybertron Collection"?

Yep, those guys.


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