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Nevermore 2004-07-31 11:56 PM

Sorry Gesani... (OTFCC Hasbro panel round-up)
 
http://boards.allspark.com/index.php...T&f=41&t=50058

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Movie:
- They are looking to combine the best parts of Transformers. It hasn't been decided to base it on the G1 cartoon for sure, but the "truck people" will be happy, basically.
- Other than that it's way too early to know much of anything, but next year they expect to have a lot to reveal.

Cartoon - Energon:
- The last 13 episodes of will be called the Powerlinx Battles. They will heavily feature battles between the two gestalts, Devestator and Superion. Bruticus is the third gestalt but they didn't mention his role in the show.
- Omega Sentinel is the leader of a group of Guard Sentinels, they will be on the show in the spring.
- The gestalts somehow are tied into the Sentinels in the storyline.
- Blue Energon plays a big part in the end of the show (see below).
- Starscream will cease to be a ghost and will become a regular transformer, hence his new color scheme (G1 Baby!)
- Grimlock and Swoop won't be in the show.
- Alpha-Q will shortly start being referred to as Alpha-Quintesson. *cough*

Cartoon - Cybertron:
- The cartoon is a year away.
- It will be done by a new animation studio in Japan.
- The story concerns them trying to save their home planet. It is a direct sequel to Armada and Energon, taking place several years after Energon.
- There will be new human characters, I believe they said most or all of the existing humans will be gone.
- Some Armada characters that did not show up in the Energon cartoon will show up in Cybertron.
- Primus will factor into Cybertron.

Toys - Energon:
- Wing Saber was initially called Superion Maximus but then they decided to use the Takara name.
- The gestalts have two molds used twice for financial reasons. Each gestalt will consist of four basics as limbs and a $9.99 middle figure.
- Sharkticon's vehicle mode was initially based on the design of the Decepticon ship Nemesis, and then it was modified.
- The Alpha Quintesson toy may not transform but can roll (and the legs spin around), and the faces inside do turn around inside the head.
- The Energon Inferno remold is indeed called Roadblock.
- Cyclonus and Ironhide will be KB exclusives.
- For Energon they wanted a lot of characters in the initial waves but someone was delayed in production (Scorponok, probably). They made Energon Ultra Magnus as a fillin, underestimated his demand and also for unknown reasons he was just underproduced. I yelled out "MAKE MORE!!!!!" and Michelle said "I reserve the right to put this figure into TFU" and said they didn't have plans to do it but it would be a possibility.
- Someone asked why the Decepticons don't have a cool action feature like the Autobots' combining feature. Aaron said they think the "hyper power" feature is exciting. (I guess he hasn't seen the "hyper power" for Shockblast? Go go Gadget-solar panels!)
- Will we see a Hot Rod repaint of Hot Shot? "No."
- Arcee is small for financial reasons and because they didn't think she'd appeal to the main market. Michelle said 7 year old boys don't want a $15 woman.
- No more Dinobots planned after Grimlock and Swoop.
- Sounds like Takara maybe wasn't as involved in designing Grimlock and Swoop and they didn't see a place for these toys in Superlink.
- The face on Insecticon is just some sort of "lucky accident". Ooooook.
- Will we get recolored Energon weapons like in Japan? Not planned for right away but next year, yes. The gestalts have blue Energon for a reason, it's a purer form of Energon found in special "spark wells".
- The $50 price point will stay in Energon/Cybertron and we will see new molds.

Toys - Cybertron:
- They are currently working on Wave 2 of the toys.
- Optimus Prime will have a mouth and a mouth shield.
- Will there by more Unicron toys? "No."
- They realized late in the game that Minicons are really popular and they backed off too far on making them. We will be getting new Minicon molds.

Toys - G1:
- The G1 line will start to lean more towards figures such as Astrotrain and Ricochet (they didn't have rights to the name Stepper, by the way). They will be mostly figures that most US collectors don't have already.
- Will we get more reissues that are presented as new characters like Ricochet, or Japanese characters we never had? "Maybe".
- No Dinobot reissues planned.
- No plans for Soundwave (BOOOOOOO!)

Toys - Alternators:
- Not only will there probably be an Alternators backstory soon, but if we keep supporting the line they will "grow it accordingly" and make a cartoon or other media.
- Tracks was initially going to be yellow with a blue repaint later, but the interior was showing through the plastic. Since Takara paints over metal they could keep the yellow, but we are getting blue instead.
- Aaron Archer chose to use Meister because he thinks "Autobot _____" isn't a cool name. He did give us permission to call him Jazz, as well as calling Downshift Wheeljack. :-)
- Swindle has a new head, a bar on the front and bigger tires.
- They want to do Bumblebee and are trying hard to get him done.
- Someone asked about how licensing works. They said it's different with different companies.
- Will we see other types of Alternators like planes and motorcycles? They want us to tell them what we want in the survey at the con so they can decide if this is doable.
- Alternator Sunstreaker is probably going to happen once they start doing Alternator exclusives.
- They have not tried to get the license for a Lamborghini Alternator.
- No plans for Alternator Blurr.
- The Ford Mustang -will- be Grimlock and it will be grey (I guess not silver like the Binaltech?)
- No plans for an Alternator Soundwave or Blaster with cassettes.
- Older cars in the Alternators line? Sure...but that's also what they hope to find out from our (800-freaking-page) surveys. Michelle said they won't be doing the Batmobile.
- They really want to do a Mini Cooper and are trying to get the license.
- There are no plans for an Alternator Prowl.
- Emergency vehicles in Alternators? "None that I'm willing to talk about".
- No plans for a Dodge Neon Alternator.

Toys - TFU:
- The Smokescreen and Ransack two-pack is an exclusive to one of the second string stores like Meijer or Costco. Aaron used a lot of new terms to refer to these stores but basically it meant "not Wal-mart or Target".
- The TFU Piranacon repaint will be a giftset released in the spring as a Wal-mart exclusive.
- The third micromaster combiner will be Sixliner, he referred to them as "railbots".
- TFU Devestator was announced as "because you demanded it".
- No plans for bringing over Star Convoy.
- No plans for bringing over Predaking (BOOOOOOO!)
- They are trying for bringing over SOME Robot Masters for TFU (it "makes sense"). They said they would probably not bring over Takara's original molds (ie the remolded figures).
- Will we see Dirgegun released here? Direct quote "Not him....". Sounded like "not him, but maybe someone similar". Thrustol?

Misc:
- Aaron Archer said there are a lot of TF designs that have been abandoned. He was looking through a lot of them in Japan recently when he had an idea. Transformers.com is going to have a contest for a fan's choice figure that we can pick from some of these (sometimes bizarre) designs.
- They aren't planning on a Big Daddy toy, it's a weird name.
- WSTF - They planned to bring over Optimus and Soundwave as a bonus (I think in TFU) but they are having trouble getting support from retailers (if I understood them correctly). They are still going to do it once they get the support for it.
- Someone asked why they weren't doing anything about the test shots on Ebay all the time. They basically asked people not to buy them. They didn't make any distinction about test shots vs. finished "dealer samples".
- A 10th anniversary celebration of Beast Wars "makes sense", which seems to be Aaron Archer's way of saying "I hadn't thought of that but it sounds cool".
- What was the origin of having "Decepticlones" in the PS2 game. They wanted something to blow up without it being established characters.
- They have no plans for more female characters but they heard us loud and clear that we want them.
- Techspecs should be updated more often but the web designer has been backlogged. Sorry. No, we won't see them on boxes for the same reason as always, they'd have to be trilingual.
- We probably won't ever see more chrome paint schemes because it's shown itself to be too fragile over time.
- We won't see more decoys like we got in G1.
- HOC was discontinued despite Hasbro really liking the line because the secondary stores (Meijer, Rose, etc) weren't giving them the support they wanted.
- G1 homage characters showing up with the wrong name sometimes occurs because they pick a name before a design really gets too far along and then it's too late to change it. As mentioned, Aaron gave us all permission to call Downshift Wheeljack and Meister Jazz.
- Aaron would like at some point to look into using characters such as Alpha Trion or Devcon, but no plans for right now.
- We probably won't see more Masterpiece toys right away because it was an expensive toy to make and it was really just to celebrate the Anniversary. Aaron anticipates people making him part of the Alternators line so he has bad guys to fight. If we do see more Masterpiece toys it'll be as part of another Anniversary.
- We aren't getting a trailer for 20th Prime because Aaron thinks it's basically an expensive box, and that there are better uses for their investment. He encouraged us to look online for people making customs.
- No plans at present for a crossover between TF's and either Zoids or Xevox. Although Michelle seemed interested in how many people liked Xevox.
- Will we ever see organic Beast Modes again? Well, you know how Transformers trends seem to come and go, so eventually we probably will. For now, however, Cybertron is vehicle based and they want the movie toy line to be that way too.
- Fort Max won't pass safety laws, period. They have no plans to make a new Fort Max.
- They are extremely pleased with Atari's work on the PS2 game and there is another game coming out in the next couple of years (which I think we've heard from other sources is a sequel to the first game set in the Cybertron storyline).


Denyer 2004-08-01 12:38 AM

7 year old boys don't want a $15 woman.

It's more a case of parents not buying female figures for young boys. Although I don't think kids were/are the principle audience for Energon Arcee—and I'd be surprised if the mould doesn't get more coverage in Universe or thereafter.

The gestalts have two molds used twice for financial reasons.

More regular combined figure, but debatable whether it'll sell.

No, we won't see them on boxes for the same reason as always, they'd have to be trilingual.

I wonder if they realise how much this kills repeat sales?

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I can't believe the Alternators story won't tie into the movie... but, as they say, it's too early to commit to press.

Transfannabeel 2004-08-01 12:44 AM

glad to hear that some of the Armada characters will be returning in Cybertron. Hope Blurr, Scavenger and Wheeljack return.

Ravage 2004-08-01 01:40 AM

I am just getting kinda of sick of Hasbro and all the exclusive crap. I mean small market areas that lack a Target, TRU or decent sized Wal Mart get nothing. I really was looking forward to Nemesis Prime and Piranacon,king,whatever. But now I doubt I'll see him. *Grumble*.

Sir Auros 2004-08-01 01:51 AM

Well, I'm certainly hoping a lot of people show interest in non-car alternate modes in the surveys...

Not too keen on the gestalts being sold separately...scalpers are going to have a damn field day with that.

Very disappointed about no Dodge Neon. :(

Chromia 2004-08-01 02:12 AM

- Cyclonus and Ironhide will be KB exclusives.

Whoo Hoo!



Michelle said 7 year old boys don't want a $15 woman.

That just sounds...wrong!

:p

RID Scourge 2004-08-01 03:19 AM

Demolisher's a KB exclusive? That means I won't find him for months after he's released. Stupid KB. Nemesis is an exclusive? Where?

Kinda sucks that they're making the smokescreen an exclusive at those second-string stores. I don't even know if I have any of those freakin' places nearby. Bah!

Yeah, exclusives are a pretty ****ty practice.

Gesani 2004-08-01 05:21 AM

I guess all i can say is that all spark beat us agian.. garand just recently updated the panel review............ most of which is the same.. i didnt get to see the whole panel thanks to traffic on the way back from lunch...

Alpha Trion 2004-08-01 05:27 AM

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Originally posted by PaladinPrime
Nemesis is an exclusive? Where?
Target.

Osku 2004-08-01 08:43 AM

Off topic

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Originally posted by Gesani
I guess all i can say is that all spark beat us agian.. garand just recently updated the panel review............ most of which is the same.. i didnt get to see the whole panel thanks to traffic on the way back from lunch...
I appreciate your efforts there. Problem is one can't know your panel review is online when logging in. There should be notice on the main page and/or this thread edited; a link to Garand's(?)review
http://tfarchive.com/fandom/otfcc/panels/index.php

and after that a link to allspark review.

On topic
TFU Devastator?

Nevermore 2004-08-01 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by Sir Auros
Not too keen on the gestalts being sold separately...scalpers are going to have a damn field day with that.
What's worse is that since each gestalt will only have two different molds for limbs, with the other two limbs being repaints of the first two, and Hasbro not wanting to have repaints on the shelves at the same time as the other versions of the molds, you'll be seeing three gestalt parts in stores first and then gonna have to wait several months before the other limbs become available... :wall:

However, the funniest thing is this:

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To keep Alts a surprise Hasboro has asked people to stop buying Protos and Test Shots on Ebay, so collecter can get information through places like transformers.com, basics no one buys no one sells
Translation: "Please stop buying them so we won't get scooped again!" :laugh:

Sir Auros 2004-08-01 09:29 AM

Maybe if the webmaster there updated once in a while...

Tempest 2004-08-01 11:51 AM

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Devcon
I knew I was right.

On Topic

Not too bad, I like the fact that Cybertron will be continuing on with Energon. Also the Blue Energo sounds ... different along with the Combiners. I wonder why we haven't seen Devastor pics yet? Or I have I not been around enough.

Also, with the Fort Maxx thing, I read somewhere that Takara was relasing him in the Robot Masters line.

Also, it would be good if they bring over the RM Starscream.

I wish I could go to OTFCC, but just recently they built a huge convetion centre in Perth that can hold 1,200 + people and other stuff.

deej 2004-08-01 12:09 PM

Fort Max is being done as a Robotmasters lucky draw prize I beleive.. Dont' think they've got him lined up as an actual figure in the line... Devastator pics? Which one? TFU or Energon? There's like 3 different Devs coming out - Dev in Energon, Micromaster Dev & Landfill-repaint Dev... At least there isn't a Prowl alternator on the horizon yet.. yet....

Ravage 2004-08-01 06:22 PM

Speaking of exclusives if there is anyone with a decent target they should pm me heh.

Nevermore 2004-08-01 06:56 PM

Sources claim Alt Sunstreaker might be released as an X-Mas 2004 surprise.

RID Scourge 2004-08-01 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Alpha Trion
Target.
The sons of bitches! There's not a target for miles. I had to order online for ****in' Cryotek, I had to order online for ****in' Dreadwind and Smokejumper, and now, I'm gonna have to order online for this ****, with the usual markup that goes along with it. Fekkin' Hasblow . . .

P.S. **** that autocensor ****.

EDIT: Why is it that the good ones are always exclusives? Buncha ass holes, they are.

Ravage 2004-08-02 12:34 AM

I was trying to say Hasbro is pissing everyone off with these exclusives earlier.

orisprime 2004-09-13 06:49 AM

I made my ow fem bot

Dajani just take the limbs off of t.m2 spittor and put them on stink bomb remove stink bomb's limbs youm may put them on spittor you now have 2 fem bots

the one with the body of stink bomb is Dajani

the other one is Aquatica

Roadstripe 2004-09-14 02:25 AM

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- The story concerns them trying to save their home planet. It is a direct sequel to Armada and Energon, taking place several years after Energon.
- There will be new human characters, I believe they said most or all of the existing humans will be gone.
The existing human characters should be gone. They'd all be dead from old age!

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- Arcee is small for financial reasons and because they didn't think she'd appeal to the main market. Michelle said 7 year old boys don't want a $15 woman.

- They have no plans for more female characters but they heard us loud and clear that we want them.
In that case, stick them in one of the other lines. Why not Alternators? I'm sure we would fight through the toy aisles for Alternator Elita-1, Chromia, Firestar, and Moonracer. Heck, you could recolor some of the Spy Changers as yet unused for G1 homages and I'm sure we'd swallow our Spy Changer overdose sickness long enough to grab them. Just be sure to add tech specs to these gals.

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- No more Dinobots planned after Grimlock and Swoop.
Aw, Slag!

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- The face on Insecticon is just some sort of "lucky accident". Ooooook.
MARS WANTS TRANSFORMERS!

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- No plans for Soundwave (BOOOOOOO!)
I'd go for a Soundblaster with Buzzsaw, though.

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- Will we see Dirgegun released here? Direct quote "Not him....". Sounded like "not him, but maybe someone similar". Thrustol?
Waspinator? :confused:

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- Techspecs should be updated more often but the web designer has been backlogged. Sorry. No, we won't see them on boxes for the same reason as always, they'd have to be trilingual.
I can understand and forgive the web designer, but I still want them with the toys themselves. :mad: If they can't put them on the packages, then they ought to include them in the packages as an insert.

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exclusive [this,] exclusive [that,] exclusive [something else....]
I've never much liked exclusives, mostly because they're so dang hard to get.

davetherave 2004-09-14 02:12 PM

News Overload. So does he mean we will see primus turn into cybertron?

Allowing the fans to choose from unused designs is the idea I've been waiting for.

Even better news on the hasbro reissues. I hope they release metalhawk and keep him metal!

If they are planning to take elements from different lines for the movie, I hope they don't do it the same way as Universe.

And we might get Beast Wars Neo Unicron on 10th aniversary, If they are going to release a MP BW figure that would be my personal choice.

RID Scourge 2004-09-15 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by davetherave
Even better news on the hasbro reissues. I hope they release metalhawk and keep him metal!
Prolly not. If metalhawk's that pretender made out of the terrible gold plastic, he'll break into too many small pieces and be a choking hazard. Besides, why would you want a toy that turns to dust when you breath on it?

*looks at G2 Slingshot, and Slingshot explodes*

See?

davetherave 2004-09-15 08:26 AM

I thought the inner robot was all die cast! He's ment to be the only metal pretender. Sorry I know nothing of G2. Couldn't they just use different plastic.

Roadstripe 2004-09-15 05:50 PM

I think, Paladin Prime, that you're talking about Roadblock, a US G1 Decepticon Ultra Pretender from 1989. Metalhawk was a Japanese exclusive Pretender from the 1988 Masterforce line and the only Pretender to feature diecast parts.

Pretender Roadblock and G2 Slingshot both suffer from 'Gold Plastic Syndrome' in which there are swirls of unmixed plastic that now serve as convenient fracture points. However, that problem is overcomable as Laser Rod Electro, made mostly of gold plastic, isn't a victum of GPS.

I should think there would be a decent market for a repro parts maker to offer properly mixed replacement parts for Transformers with GPS (provided Hasbro doesn't shut them down).

davetherave 2004-09-15 06:42 PM

I got that pretender, I got him off ebay he's been played wiyh so I cleaned him up and his in good nick. He's the one with the green car and a transformable suit? I'l be careful with him now.

Their are still some clasics that I haven't got, quite a few actually such as wheeljack & sunstreaker. So I hope they don't totaly turn their back on the usual suspects. They know that we are waiting for certain figures, and they keep teasing us, I wish they'd just bring the big guns out, what is it they're waiting for?

Alpha Trion 2004-09-15 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by davetherave
They know that we are waiting for certain figures, and they keep teasing us, I wish they'd just bring the big guns out, what is it they're waiting for?
You don't consider Predaking to be a big gun?

Every collector is hoping for different figures to be reissued, so it's not as if they're purposely dodging the toys the fandom wants. I personally desperately hoped Stepper would be reissued someday, and it happened. That, to me, was a "big gun."

Also, it's possible that the Sunstreaker and Wheeljack molds are damaged beyond repiar. Note that neither mold has been used since 1985.

davetherave 2004-09-15 09:56 PM

Yeah of course predaking is, but that is a takara release. I was refering to hasbro's comments at the top of the thread.

Pun-3X 2004-09-15 10:34 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Wheeljack sold in the "Classic" line (not the "Legends" line, where they packaged the inner bots of the regular character pretenders) issued in Europe? I thought that line came out in the later 80's (88? 89?) The mold might still exist for Wheeljack. Though, that means that they'd have to get it from storage in Europe, and that's saying it still exists.

Alpha Trion 2004-09-15 10:46 PM

Oh yeah, I'd completely forgotten about the Classics line. I know next to nothing about it, however, so I couldn't say if either figure was used there.

davetherave 2004-09-15 11:01 PM

Anything that is plastic and metal can be recreated, their are methods today like 3d scanning etc, that can be done and it can then be corrected. It's done all the time in the industry. Takara pay their designers loads of money. In an interview with the predaking designer he said, he made loads of designs and hardly any got chose. It's the same case for all their designers. Ressurecting a mold isn't that expensive compared, and seeing as you can get your hands on virtualy any tf on ebay.

Wasn't one of the seacons destroyed, now they are releasing all 6. And aparently predakings mold was destroyed to.

Denyer 2004-09-15 11:52 PM

Reproducing one component of a gestalt is fair cost-effective, I'd imagine. Especially since the "Scramble City" -type combiners used relatively few parts each.

Whereas, say, Sunstreaker has a great many small parts.

davetherave 2004-09-16 12:10 AM

Considering the amount of knock offs, A whole devastator has more parts than sunstreaker & is only £5. With a bit of love and care or better techniques those knock off molds could be as good as the real thing. As many people seem as interested in devastator as sunstreaker, I still thinki it's cost effective. hasbro and Takara do many things that begs belief, so I don't buy their excuses of lost molds. Im just using sunstreaker and devastator as examples.

But their have been many knock offs which aren't that bad, I have a zone diatlus that ain't tobad, if they used better materials and stickers it would be almost perfect.

If predaking's molds were broken or lost, this reissue could show they maybe pulling their finger out. I think we were all shocked when we saw MP Convoy. I just want some continuity in the lines & I want people to stop saying why aren't they releasing this mold and that etc. Why figures like hoist when there is so much better stuff like soundwave.

Denyer 2004-09-16 12:20 AM

The reason companies won't reissue gestalts is because the knock-offs have flooded the market—most people are happy with a $5 repro which'll sit on a shelf and gather dust.

davetherave 2004-09-16 12:40 AM

Sorry didn't explain myself well. I was saying a gestalt has more pieces than sunstreaker, yet he can be replicated fairly well really cheap. So sunstreaker can be made with all his many pieces really well at a higher price than £5. I was trying to show my theory on cost effectiveness regarding recreating lost molds.

Denyer 2004-09-16 01:05 AM

From what we've seen, there's no indication Takara are moulding from existing toys—the appearance of the sixth Seacon doesn't prove a recreation; it may be a repair job on a newly-refound mould. We know, for example, that the reissue Soundwave used retooled Soundblaster parts.

Bootleggers by necessity are geared up towards certain production methods—Takara may feel their reputation as a toy manufacturer at risk by employing these methods.

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Why figures like hoist when there is so much better stuff like soundwave.
Soundwave won't pass US toy safety restrictions, therefore can't be sold at TRU and won't be handled by Hasbro.

davetherave 2004-09-16 03:48 PM

It's not illegal to copy your own molds. And the safety issue can be sorted. They did it with prime and they do it withh all non Japanese TFs all the time. Nothing is impossible, it's simply down to someone in the company with the authority to say to get the job done.

Nevermore 2004-09-16 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Alpha Trion
Oh yeah, I'd completely forgotten about the Classics line. I know next to nothing about it, however, so I couldn't say if either figure was used there.
Wheeljack was IIRC. Not sure about Sunstreaker, though.

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Originally posted by davetherave
It's not illegal to copy your own molds. And the safety issue can be sorted. They did it with prime and they do it withh all non Japanese TFs all the time. Nothing is impossible, it's simply down to someone in the company with the authority to say to get the job done.
I might toss in the analogy of comic book companies in the process of reprinting older stories running into problems when the original material has been damaged. They occasionally simply scan the respective pages from the original release. I don't see why an analogous process should be deemed legally questionable for HasTak, especially since the quality of toy molds restored via reverse-engineering should still be several classes ahead of scanned comic book pages.

davetherave 2004-09-16 04:48 PM

Exactly! And of top of that their are processes my M8 has used, He works with car parts, but some of the processes are being used by really small companies. I've read kitbashing pages and they do their own molds in their bedroom.

So come on Hasbro & Takara pull your finger out.

Roadstripe 2004-09-16 10:25 PM

As for classic molds like Sunstreaker and Wheeljack, I'm sure Hasbro/Takara know that we want them and we know they've got the capability to replicate them. As I figure it, it's only a matter of time before they do reissue them, but, for one reason or another (from office politics to licensing difficulties to safety problems), it may take them sometime before they do. For one thing, they're going to have to figure out how to cheaply give Sunstreaker that chromed appearance without using chrome.


Quoth davetherave:
I got that pretender, I got him off ebay he's been played wiyh so I cleaned him up and his in good nick. He's the one with the green car and a transformable suit? I'l be careful with him now.

Um, no. Metalhawk was just like your standard Autobot Pretender of 1988 (non-transforming, armored human outer shell) and he turned into a jet fighter (of sorts). He was colored blue and gold with red wings.
See here on Prime Saber's page: Metalhawk.
From your description, I'd guess that you have Decepticon Ultra Pretender Roadblock (as seen here on TFU).


Quoth Pun-3X:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Wheeljack sold in the "Classic" line (not the "Legends" line, where they packaged the inner bots of the regular character pretenders) issued in Europe? I thought that line came out in the later 80's (88? 89?) The mold might still exist for Wheeljack. Though, that means that they'd have to get it from storage in Europe, and that's saying it still exists.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Classics line sold in Europe essentially Hasbro's overstock from earlier in G1, just repackaged to fit in with the rest of that year's releases?

davetherave 2004-09-16 10:51 PM

Yeah I know that, I was refering to roadblock who has the gold plastic, which apparently breaks easy.


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